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    Quote Originally Posted by caroloto View Post
    That is sad, the same type of thing happened to my friend's beautiful well made quilt judged last year at our fair, she has shown quilts for several years and has always place 1st or 2nd place. 1st time over the years had I even seen any craft (all sewing) items where this was done, yes notice it in all sewing classes where there were disqualification! Plus it wasn't only quilts at this fair where they disqualifed only in the quilting...I'm thinking it's was the judge/judges they hired. Hopefully this years fair they won't hire the same ones to judge. I think what got me the most about those disqualifaction was some of those entries are done by the 4-Hers they do their best and they own animals which they show at the fair!!!

    I would go ahead and enter you yo yo quilt, maybe they hired the same judge/judges that judge here...
    Judges are individuals. I'm sure they have guidelines to follow, but then again, so much of what they say will be subjective. As humans, there's no way around that.

    Heavens, even our supreme court judges are influenced by their own lifes----political affiliation, ethnic origin, home regions, previous experience.

    Short version, you can't guess what the judges will be looking for------unless you and they have been given exact criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    But if you enter a contest and deliberately do not follow the rules (which we cannot verify the person this thread was started about was doing without seeing those rules, they likely weren't) you are CHEATING.

    If a quilt show says only a single stitcher, if someone else did your quilting, and you enter anyway, it's cheating.
    If you enter a quilt show that asks you to disclose whether you used a stitch regulator, and you did but don't say- it's cheating.

    What word would you prefer? Doing something against the rules, on purpose, is cheating.
    Seems like I stirred up a hornets nest, haven't I? When I hear the word "cheat", my brain stops listening. I have my hackles up. I am already in defend mode. I hear nothing else after that. The quilt shows that I have considered entering, have not , in my opinion, dealt with this issue fully. Often they consider that someone else has had their quilt machine quilted, and yet never consider the fact that someone has been paid to HAND quilt a quilt. Some quilters would NEVER let their quilt be quilted by someone else, lest it not be "their" quilt. Other quilters consider it "theirs" no matter WHO quilted it. You are correct: if the rules state a single stitcher, you didn't quilt it and enter it as a single stitcher, you have broken the rules. I just wish that strong words like 'cheater', were a last resort and not a first response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaS View Post
    I was speaking to someone who won grand prize at the county fair for her quilt. It was beautiful. But after talking to her she said she sent it out to be sandwiched quilted and binded. Is that not cheating? Or is that ok?
    This is standard practice in a lot of quilt shows. The label has to reflect that it was pieced by XX and quilted by YY and designed by ZZ. Other than that, there are no rules at most shows. Bear in mind that a quilt being quilted for a show costs probably $500 and up for the long-arm work.

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    As a new quilter who has not entered into the "quilt show" world, this subject fascinates me. Aside from the judging in shows, there is of course judging by any with whom we share our quilts. As some have stated here, there are "quilt snobs" who consider a machine pieced or machine quilted piece to be less of a quilt than one which is pieced an/or quilted by hand.

    This made me wonder how our great-great grandmothers may have looked at things. Often their quilts were pieced by them alone, by hand or with a sewing machine. Then, the actual quilting was done by hand, by MANY...at a quilting bee. Do you suppose that any of those quilts were judged at county fairs and the like? Were these quilts judged harshly because they were the work of more than one person? Was it considered a quilting crime to piece a quilt by machine? I know that hand quilting is still sometimes done in a group setting, in fact I would love to participate in one sometime, once I learn how to hand quilt. I just wonder how things were looked at by those who came before us. There seems to be a popular notion that our forebears did everything by hand "because it was better" when in fact, they apparently adopted newer labor-saving methods whenever possible. Isn't it strange that such division exists in the quilting world? Where did this come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    She never said ANYTHING about machine quilting being cheating. She asked whether it was cheating to enter a quilt in a show that wasn't all your own work. Since we don't know the rules of the show, we can't answer that, could be cheating, most cases it isn't- but people sure are getting fussy about something the OP didn't even say. The comment about cheating was entirely about SHOWS, not just making quilts.
    Thank you, At least one person understood my question. I am working on a Judy Neimeyer Mariners Compass and hope to enter it in the fair. I first for me. This is a king size quilt that I can not do on my machine and will need to send out. That was the why I asked the question which I truely regret asking now. Thank you for understanding my question.

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    Teresa- for your quilt, you need to carefully read the rules of the fair you want to enter. It is probably okay, but it will vary.

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    The issue to me is attributing the work to the person who performed the work. If you piece the top, send it out to be professionally quilted, and then display it, you should give credit to the quilter. If you used another person's design, you should give credit to the pattern designer. Even if you bought the pattern or paid the quilter. After all, I wouldn't become the artist of Sunflowers by buying it at an auction; I would still need to give credit to Vincent as its creator. I would be very uncomfortable (large dose of Lutheran guilt here) taking credit for someone else's work, and often wonder what the real names were of the makers of some of the beautiful 17th and 18th century quilts that are attributed to the owners.
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    Haven't read all the posts but anyone who thinks machine quilting is 'cheating' just hasn't tried to do it. It's waaaaaaaaay beyond my abilities.
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    For a show quilt - if the entry follows the rules - In my opinion, it's not cheating.

    I do wonder how shows can keep up with enough categories to accommodate all the different ways of how a quilt can be made and how to 'have a level playing field' for the various entries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearisgray View Post
    I do wonder how shows can keep up with enough categories to accommodate all the different ways of how a quilt can be made and how to 'have a level playing field' for the various entries.
    They don't. You just can't enter them all.

    I had a quilt that I thought would fit perfectly in a themed show, but then I read that the rules require all original work, and I used a pattern. So I couldn't submit it.

    Another show allows NO tied quilts, so anyone who does those is out. Some shows only allow quilts that are 3 layers sewn together- yo-yo quilts, crazy quilts, cathedral windows don't qualify.

    The show I recently entered allows patterns, but only a single stitcher. People who send their quilts out don't qualify, luckily for me- I did all the work on this one (and I attributed the pattern and gained designer permission.)


    I really wanted to enter my state fair but the only two categories are pieced quilts or applique quilts. My quilt is shadow trapunto, which looks like applique, but is not. There is no way the quilt would be judged well because it doesn't fit either category. So I passed.

    Haven't read all the posts but anyone who thinks machine quilting is 'cheating' just hasn't tried to do it. It's waaaaaaaaay beyond my abilities.
    That wasn't what the thread was about. It was about whether entering work that is not entirely your own in a show is cheating.

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