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Old 04-19-2017, 06:13 PM
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bearisgray is right. You don't get a bigger quilt unless you add more fabric. You can do this with setting squares or with borders. In Nan's example (not sure how she got the numbers - I don't get the same ones with EQ) the on-point quilt setting of 9 rows by 10 columns is set with 90 9" blocks, but has an additional 72 9" blocks filling in. You can't magically make a bigger quilt out of the same blocks by setting it on point. But I do think that on-point quilts often look more dramatic than straight sets.

See example - this is what EQ means by a 9x10 on-point setting. There are 90 of the blue blocks, another 72 plus setting triangles of the yellow ones.

ETA - I see where Nan got her numbers. EQ automatically adds a 1" border, which you have to remove if you don't want it figured into the size calculation.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:23 AM
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I don't have EQ. When I wondered about the dimensions of an on-point quilt that I was working on, I cut out squares of newspaper that were the size of my block, placed them in a row, and measured. I was amazed how much larger the on-point setting was.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by QuiltnNan View Post
9" finished blocks with 9 rows across and 10 rows down
straight set is 83x92"
on point is 116x130"
But this change in measurement involves having additional fabric for the setting triangles and extra blank 9" sqares of fabric as Dunster points out in her diagram. A straight set doesn't have those, so you need to keep that in mind patchitpat.

As Bear pointed out a 9 x 9 block only has a finite number of square inches of surface area no matter how you set it. The increased size is because of the additional fabric used in the setting triangles and alternate squares.
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:06 AM
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For each square on the diagonal (on point) you will add extra inches. That is what gives the extra size in the quilt. You may have a 9"x9" block (square) but on the diagonal it will be almost 12". just turn one of your square rulers then measure the diagonal distance from one corner to the opposite.
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:18 AM
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How many embroidered squares do you have?

Are you planning to use sashing or alternate squares between them?

Do you have a particular finished size in mind for this top?

Will you need more embroidered squares to get the size you need? Are you willing to not use some of them?

Do all these embroidered squares have the same background fabric?

For now - maybe laying them out somewhere - (on a bed, on the floor, on a design wall - whatever you have) - will help you decide what to do next. Also - if you can - take pictures of your layouts so that you can remember what each one looked like.
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:41 AM
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The attached drawing is very close to being true scale
(I used 1.4 to 1 instead of 1.414 to 1 for the ratios on these drawings)

I measured the sides of the squares - and on my tape measure - they are all two inches.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:15 AM
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For those that use graph paper for drafting and planning -

I use 10 units across for the "straight setting" units and 14 units across for the "diagonal setting" units. The result is about 1% variation from "exact."

Ratios that would work:

5:7
10:14
15:21
20:28
25:35
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:29 AM
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How about using your on point blocks, add triangles on the corners and make it a square in a square block? Your setting will be straight, but you will retain the on point look. If you need more width, a nice border will do the trick.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:19 AM
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Another way to think of it is to count the blocks.

In a 9 across 10 down setting straight set you need 90 blocks. Assuming no sashing and no border you will have a quilt that is 81 x 90 (7,290 s/i)

If you take those same 90 blocks and turn them on point you will only get 6 across and 8 down. The resulting on point quilt made with 90 9" x 9" blocks set 6 across and 8 down plus adding setting triangles will measure about 81 x 100 (8,100 s/i).

The additional surface area is due to having to add the setting triangles.

The OP will need to make more embroidered blocks or add plain blocks to get up to the size Dunster illustrated above.
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Originally Posted by feline fanatic View Post
Another way to think of it is to count the blocks.

In a 9 across 10 down setting straight set you need 90 blocks. Assuming no sashing and no border you will have a quilt that is 81 x 90 (7,290 s/i)

If you take those same 90 blocks and turn them on point you will only get 6 across and 8 down. The resulting on point quilt made with 90 9" x 9" blocks set 6 across and 8 down plus adding setting triangles will measure about 81 x 100 (8,100 s/i).

The additional surface area is due to having to add the setting triangles.

The OP will need to make more embroidered blocks or add plain blocks to get up to the size Dunster illustrated above.
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