You need to shop around. I bought mine, slightly used, less than 7 hrs, over 4 yrs ago for 4500 with warranty, everything. they have a Ruby Deluxe that is more but you should be able to get the regular ruby cheaper now. I go to Bella Fabrics in Suffolk Va, they have a web site and show new and used machines along with prices, check and see if they have any. I'm at work and we are limited where we can go on the internet. I know that one lady from the mid west ordered a machine from them because even with shipping it was cheaper. They have all thier used machines serviced before selling. I didn't even pay 6 for my Diamond Deluxe, I got it after Vikings convention and it was set up in case it was needed for a demo so was listed as slightly used, I got full warranty, luggage the works with it. There are lots of options. I'm not sure if the Designer SE does the usb or not. If you go to Viking's web site there is a link, not sure where now but you can compare features of the different machines to each other. Good luck.





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