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azwendyg 11-12-2010 05:12 PM

I am the lucky recipient of a table top Handi Quilter frame (passed on to me from someone who recently upgraded to an HQ16). It is the table top frame and machine carriage on tracks that you use with your own machine.

So...I finally got it set up and have my Juki TL 98 on the carriage and (I hope) ready to go. I think I got the quilt "loaded" and ready to go. I don't really know what to expect, but I'm using pracitice pieces of muslin for the top and the backing with batting in between, so as long as I don't break anything, I'll be OK.

Wish me luck! I'll be back after awhile to let you know how it goes. :shock:

gawney 11-12-2010 06:09 PM

I have one too that i haven't used yet i'll be looking forward to hear about yours

Sadiemae 11-12-2010 06:19 PM

Good Luck! Sounds like you are off to a great start!

azwendyg 11-12-2010 06:40 PM

I'm baaaack.... I need to take a break! Quilting with the frame, as opposed to FMQ that I've been doing, is certainly going to take some practice before I'll be happy with it.

It's physically easier not having to wrestle the quilt around, but it's a whole new motor skill to develop for sure. I think I'd better practice drawing designs sideways to mimic the direction of travel with the machine and frame.

I've also got to figure out what to do with the cords so nothing drags when I'm moving the machine... And then there's that coordination problem; turning the control on, adjusting the speed, AND watching where I'm going all at the same time. It's kind of like learning to drive with a manual transmission; lots to pay attention to all at once! :roll:

On a good note, our cat is going to LOVE his new quilt to sleep on just in time for winter! :lol:

sueisallaboutquilts 11-12-2010 06:57 PM

Wendy, as we cat lovers know, if the cat is happy everyone is happy!! haha
Oops- I forgot to wish you good luck! :)

pstoner 11-12-2010 07:54 PM

I practice drawing with a dry erase pen, search the internet for free quilting patterns, put the patterns in sheet protectors and trace with pen, wipe and redo until you get the hang of it (turning the book side ways also helps with that). Soon you will have trained your brain to move with the machine. It actually does wonders learning to do this.

tjradj 11-12-2010 08:23 PM

Use cable ties to hold all the wires together in one bundle. Then if you have a curtain rod nearby, attach a strip of elastic from the curtain rod to the cable bundle to take the sense of 'drag' off. leave lots of slack.

Norene B 11-12-2010 08:29 PM

I was told with my Juki to always quilt from left to right and not go backwards. I don't know why but that is the way I do it.

paloma 11-13-2010 04:10 AM

i made templates out of heavy cardboard then trace around with pencile then i connected the images with lines so it is continous i made a lot of dog blankies have fun and rember to relax

Wendys Quilts 11-13-2010 05:32 AM

I will be watching this thread! :)

Norene B 11-13-2010 05:45 AM

I bought a speed control for my Juki. Cost was around $60.00. That helps with the speed problem. Now if I can get my stitches right without a stitch regulator. Those cost around $500. and can't afford one.

Bobbielinks 11-13-2010 06:21 AM

Congrats!!! Don't forget to breath while quilting. Relax and have fun. One thing I find new quilters might not think of is to kept the quilt sandwich as "level" as possible. This means to load the sandwich so the quilting area is straight across between the rollers and/or adjust the rollers to keep the sandwich fairly level. Such helps with the tension.

LindaR 11-13-2010 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Norene B
I was told with my Juki to always quilt from left to right and not go backwards. I don't know why but that is the way I do it.

I go left and right, up and down and she behaves very well...

twistedstitcher 11-13-2010 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by LindaR

Originally Posted by Norene B
I was told with my Juki to always quilt from left to right and not go backwards. I don't know why but that is the way I do it.

I go left and right, up and down and she behaves very well...

Me too and I've not had any problems doing so.

Norene B 11-13-2010 07:11 AM

Good, glad to hear that. The lady at the quilt shop told me not to go backwards. Can't figure out why not, but maybe because it is her machine????????

azwendyg 11-13-2010 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Norene B
Good, glad to hear that. The lady at the quilt shop told me not to go backwards. Can't figure out why not, but maybe because it is her machine????????

I know I go backwards a LOT when I free-motion quilt with my Juki and it works great. Besides, how would the machine know whether you are going backwards or not; the needle just goes up and down in the same spot anyway.:thumbup:

Norene B 11-13-2010 11:06 AM

I know, lol.

pstoner 11-13-2010 03:16 PM

my understanding from "kathyquilts: machine quilting with Kathy" is that the Juki is more like a DSM, and if you go right to left you experience thread breakage and needle breakage. As it is designed like a domestic machine, if you go right to left you would be pulling against the way the machine works.

MisDixie 11-13-2010 04:43 PM

Now don't laugh but I kept cutting the threads with the cutting button on the handi handles...the 'girls' kept gettin into the action...SOOOOO I disconnected the little cable. LOL and as a friend of mine said...only you!

azwendyg 11-13-2010 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by MisDixie
Now don't laugh but I kept cutting the threads with the cutting button on the handi handles...the 'girls' kept gettin into the action...SOOOOO I disconnected the little cable. LOL and as a friend of mine said...only you!

I didn't even hook up the cable for the tread cutter yet! LOL! I have enough trouble keeping my foot off the tread cutter when I'm sewing with it...I can imagine how much trouble it would be when I'm trying to sort out which little black button to push (or NOT to push)! Maybe after I've had some practice, but for now, I can always use the button on the front of the machine.

azwendyg 11-13-2010 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by pstoner
I practice drawing with a dry erase pen, search the internet for free quilting patterns, put the patterns in sheet protectors and trace with pen, wipe and redo until you get the hang of it (turning the book side ways also helps with that). Soon you will have trained your brain to move with the machine. It actually does wonders learning to do this.

While you were posting this I was sitting on the sofa with my dry erase board on my lap practicing drawing designs sideways. :thumbup:

azwendyg 11-13-2010 05:22 PM

OK, 24 hours later, and here's my status with this...

This is kind of HARD! I've been doing pretty well with FMQ with the machine stationary and moving the fabric; feeling pretty confident with it...but this is a whole different ball game...

I'm having a couple of problems (besides lack of coordination):

1. The machine doesn't move very smoothly on the tracks; the wheels seem to have some uneven "resistance", not to mention the little bump where the two pieces of track meet. Is there some kind of lubricant that one is supposed to use on the wheels? Or just keep everything clean? (This didn't come with any instructions...)

2. I'm getting "eyelashes" on the back of the quilt in varying degrees. This doesn't happen with this machine when FMQ, so I must be doing something to affect it, but what? I'm going give the machine a thorough cleaning, rethread it again, check the tension, and try some different thread to see what I can figure out too.

Help!

azwendyg 11-13-2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by pstoner
my understanding from "kathyquilts: machine quilting with Kathy" is that the Juki is more like a DSM, and if you go right to left you experience thread breakage and needle breakage. As it is designed like a domestic machine, if you go right to left you would be pulling against the way the machine works.

I checked for any indication that the "eyelash" problem I'm having is related to this, but it doesn't seem to be...

I am still a little unclear on this though, and hoping you can explain a little further. When doing a design that includes loops, circles, feathers, etc. I seems to me that for part of the design the machine would be going left to right, and the other part (half of a circle for instance), I would be going right to left regardless of which direction I am traveling over-all.

Thanks

Farm Quilter 11-13-2010 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Norene B
I was told with my Juki to always quilt from left to right and not go backwards. I don't know why but that is the way I do it.

I've heard you have to do this with sewing machines that have been converted to quilting machines...the needle gets deflected away from the hook and the hook can't grab the thread from the needle to make the stitch. Makes it a bit more difficult to quilt. A machine that is designed to quilt only doesn't have this problem, probably built differently in the hook area, so quilting in any direction is easier. You may be able to adjust the timing of the machine to help with this. Also, if you go very slowly when going backwards, the needle may not deflect so much and you can get the hook to grab the thread to make the stitch.

lizpatterson1 11-13-2010 05:51 PM

You lucky quilter. Have fun with it. congrats.

Farm Quilter 11-13-2010 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by azwendyg
1. The machine doesn't move very smoothly on the tracks; the wheels seem to have some uneven "resistance", not to mention the little bump where the two pieces of track meet. Is there some kind of lubricant that one is supposed to use on the wheels? Or just keep everything clean? (This didn't come with any instructions...)

2. I'm getting "eyelashes" on the back of the quilt in varying degrees. This doesn't happen with this machine when FMQ, so I must be doing something to affect it, but what? I'm going give the machine a thorough cleaning, rethread it again, check the tension, and try some different thread to see what I can figure out too.

Help!

Try cleaning the wheels and rails with rubbing alcohol - that's what I use on my LA.

When you have a problem with the thread on the back, your tension on the top is off - eyelashes would mean your top thread is too loose compared to your bobbin tension. Loops on the top mean your bobbin tension is too loose. Weird that it's backwards...but that's what the experts say! Superior Threads has some great educational information on their website about it - http://www.superiorthreads.com/education/

Jingle 11-13-2010 06:00 PM

I only do fmq, large stipple or meander on my table top Juki TL98Qe and I go frontwards, backwards, left to right and right to left and about the only time I break a thread is if I hit a thick seam or move the quilt too fast.
Good luck and enjoy.

Iluv2quilt 11-13-2010 06:45 PM

Good luck!!

Norene B 11-13-2010 07:40 PM

I clean my rails and use a powder graphite bought in the local hardware store on them. That keeps things moving nice.

pstoner 11-13-2010 07:43 PM

eyelashes on back are you "speeding around the corners, circles" As hard as it is, try to slow down as you make your curves, especially if you are getting the eyelashes on the curves. This should improve the eyelashes.

carolevidak 11-13-2010 07:50 PM

I have a handy quilter and I gave up on it. It doesn't move smoothly because of where the rails meet. It always seems to get stuck there. I am with you I can do FMQ with out any problems and move the fabric around just fine. So I am sticking with that. Hope you can solve the problems because I sure couldn't.

Carole

LindaR 11-14-2010 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by pstoner
eyelashes on back are you "speeding around the corners, circles" As hard as it is, try to slow down as you make your curves, especially if you are getting the eyelashes on the curves. This should improve the eyelashes.

I agree with this....if your doing a curve, slow down, you will notice the difference...I treat my tracks with sewing machine oil. make sure I clean them periodically with just soap and water and dry good and then rub with the oil...usually do this right before using it...they do gather dust just like any flat surface.

LindaR 11-14-2010 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Farm Quilter

Originally Posted by azwendyg
1. The machine doesn't move very smoothly on the tracks; the wheels seem to have some uneven "resistance", not to mention the little bump where the two pieces of track meet. Is there some kind of lubricant that one is supposed to use on the wheels? Or just keep everything clean? (This didn't come with any instructions...)

2. I'm getting "eyelashes" on the back of the quilt in varying degrees. This doesn't happen with this machine when FMQ, so I must be doing something to affect it, but what? I'm going give the machine a thorough cleaning, rethread it again, check the tension, and try some different thread to see what I can figure out too.

Help!

Try cleaning the wheels and rails with rubbing alcohol - that's what I use on my LA.

When you have a problem with the thread on the back, your tension on the top is off - eyelashes would mean your top thread is too loose compared to your bobbin tension. Loops on the top mean your bobbin tension is too loose. Weird that it's backwards...but that's what the experts say! Superior Threads has some great educational information on their website about it - http://www.superiorthreads.com/education/

I have my tension on the juki set at "1" and I have the bobbin set a little tighter...it would probably be different with each machine but I did a practice piece when I got the machine and it seems to work for me. I have the handihandles on my grace frame. got them with the machine and had DH install them on the front of the machine...love them.

Norene B 11-14-2010 07:32 AM

You could buy new metal for the rails that are one long piece. I bought mine from a steel yard when making my quilt frame.

azwendyg 11-14-2010 08:41 AM

Thank you all for the suggestions! I can't tell you how much help you all are to me; without this wonderful group I would probably get "stuck" and pretty discouraged at times.

I've been experimenting again this morning and here's what I am experiencing at this point:

The eyelashes have disappeared; I adjusted the tension a bit, and am concentrating on keeping my speed of travel consistent on the curves. The curves don't look so good right now, but the stitches are MUCH better.

Regarding the left to right vs. right to left; a straight stitching line in either direction seems to work fine as far as stitch quality is concerned, but I'll keep this advice in mind if I start to have problems. I am noticing that I can make smoother curves going left to right. I don't know if this just is a coordination problem, or if the direction of travel of the machine has something to do with it.

I'm still not happy with the movement of the carriage across the joint in the tracks and will be looking for other options for one-piece continuous track material.

And, last but not least, I need to PRACTICE!!! When I look back at my early attempts at FMQ, they weren't so great either. Right now I can't even stitch over the same line twice when trying to make feathers... On the other hand, designs that require straight lines either left to right or forward and back are much easier than with FMQ.

Thanks again! I'll keep you posted as to how it's going, and maybe someday soon, I'll have a piece worth posting a pic of off this Handi Quilter. :thumbup:

Bobbielinks 11-14-2010 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by azwendyg
OK, 24 hours later, and here's my status with this...

This is kind of HARD! I've been doing pretty well with FMQ with the machine stationary and moving the fabric; feeling pretty confident with it...but this is a whole different ball game...

I'm having a couple of problems (besides lack of coordination):

1. The machine doesn't move very smoothly on the tracks; the wheels seem to have some uneven "resistance", not to mention the little bump where the two pieces of track meet. Is there some kind of lubricant that one is supposed to use on the wheels? Or just keep everything clean? (This didn't come with any instructions...)

2. I'm getting "eyelashes" on the back of the quilt in varying degrees. This doesn't happen with this machine when FMQ, so I must be doing something to affect it, but what? I'm going give the machine a thorough cleaning, rethread it again, check the tension, and try some different thread to see what I can figure out too.

Help!

When there are eyelashes on the quilt back, it means that the top thread tension is too loose. You will need to tighen the top thread tension or loosen the bobbin thread tension so it doesn't pull the top thread so hard.

Bobbielinks 11-14-2010 12:30 PM

Oops, forgot to mention that eyelashes can also be caused by "driving" the machine to fast for the speed of the needle.

heyjami 04-27-2011 03:47 PM

Ok, you've had plenty of time to figure this out... time to show us your progress! :-) Where are those pictures you promised?

This post was great - I just got my handi quilter and I'm anxious to try it. I'll follow your plan and practice on a doggy quilt. :-) I have plenty of fabric to play with!


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