i think i should own stock in thread after getting this one done! im sending it out to its owner in the mornin and she can put the borders on and take it from there. i think a narrow black and then a wider of the red center, but thats just my humble opinion! glad she is done! now on to birthday table runners! YEAH! thanks for looking and all of you input and help on this. i love this board; you all are so very helpful! have a good evening!