I have a Tin Lizzie 18LS and I bought it new. I did not get a good machine. It had electronic problems form the very first day. I was an experienced LA'er but had very little technologicall knowledge. It has taken me over 2 years to get my machine working right and I HAVE HAD NO HELP WHAT SO EVER FROM THE TIN LIZZIE COMPANY. They would not even return my emails or phone calls. If this doesn't scare you, it should. You might know that you have a good machine but there will come a time when you will need support and you cannot count of getting it from the Tin Lizzie Company. I also understand that they have an abnormal number of problems with their machines. This I heard from a local repair shop that fixes every type of machine out there.