Prim Quilts

Cathy, I didn't know that. I have one of these machines that I bought last year at a garage sale for $15 in a cabinet that was like brand new. My daughter actually talked me into it because the money was being raised for a girl with Cystic Fibrosis. (Usually everyone tells me I have too many machines and I don't need any more....they are all party poopers) I tested it out and it works, but never really sewed on it due to the needle problem. Thanks for the info!

Sunflowerzz

Thank you for clarifying, appreciate it.

oldsewnsew

good i just bought 30 of them (CC 1221) I' ll save em for future generations and tweak the std needle psn. actually i just ordered a manual for that machine and saw that in there.

Mizkaki

Prim Quilts,

PM me if you need any specific questions answered on how to reset the needlebar.

Cathy

oldsewnsew

pm me if you want a photocopy of the manual. although they may be posted at the yahoo groups.

oldsewnsew

Cathy, how long is a 206x13 needle, out of curiosity, I'm putting together a cheat spreadsheet, ISMAC is great by TMI on brands I don't have and not enough on the ones I do. Now that other chart, breaks em out to basically AA, BB, CC, DD, covers most of what I need to deal with. However, I'm a teensy bit confused,
I checked the following marked items,
[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500, align: left"]
[TR]
[TD]Markings[/TD]
[TD]length inches[/TD]
[TD]mm[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]shank[/TD]
[TD]hole CL - tip mm[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Singer 2020 (15x1)[/TD]
[TD]1.52[/TD]
[TD]38.6[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD]4.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Singer 206x13[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]"Eldredge Rotary NS" (#3) (CC?) N.O.S.[/TD]
[TD]1.672[/TD]
[TD]42.47[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Free BB 1221 N.O.S "1"[/TD]
[TD]1.7[/TD]
[TD]43.27[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD]4.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Free DD 1221 N.O.S. "1"[/TD]
[TD]1.688[/TD]
[TD]42.86[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3.94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brother HDx1 (Singer 12x1)[/TD]
[TD]1.275[/TD]
[TD]32.35[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2.44[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AA "NECCHI 16"[/TD]
[TD]1.538[/TD]
[TD]39.08[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AA "SKC"[/TD]
[TD]1.538[/TD]
[TD]39.08[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AA ("1/2")[/TD]
[TD]1.522[/TD]
[TD]38.67[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AA "BOYE 30-40"[/TD]
[TD]1.531[/TD]
[TD]38.99[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]"W.S.M. 1" (15X1? WHITE)[/TD]
[TD]1.523[/TD]
[TD]38.7[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]"BOYE 9" "80-100"[/TD]
[TD]1.7[/TD]
[TD]43.19[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]"W & W S.M. 5"[/TD]
[TD]1.725[/TD]
[TD]43.82[/TD]
[TD]1.75[/TD]
[TD]4.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

oldsewnsew

[ATTACH=CONFIG]472307[/ATTACH]
The question I have is, does this [ATTACH=CONFIG]472309[/ATTACH] which is supposed to be "Eldredge Rotary NS" needles use the same as the "gold" New Home in the OP? I'm guessing yes. If so I see .15" shorter for a std Singer type needle, about 3.9mm not 1.8mm. Where am I going astray. (re: sewing machines, the rest is hopeless ) Thank you for those who have so much information and readily share it. You are a valuable resource..

Mizkaki

Jim,

The important length (timing length) is the top of the shank to the top of the eye. The timing lengths for various needles are:
15x1 33.9mm
206x13 33.9mm (The very short tip on this needle is critical. If the 15x1 is used instead the
15x1's longer tip doesn't clear the fabric when the feed dogs are moving
and may hit the bobbin case.)
1221 (CC) 32.1mm
20x1 38.2mm (There are various tip lengths in this series. Rotaries use the shorter tip as the
longer tip hits the bobbin case. Tip length doesn't matter on VS machines.)

The Eldridge in the next post uses a DD (20x1) needle, not the CC (if I recall correctly). The BB is also a 20x1, but has the longer tip.
Cathy

jlhmnj

Useful Free Chart for finding needles.

jlhmnj

The Boye list is also helpful but not always 100%:

https://sites.google.com/site/kevinsstuff1/sewing-stuff (first download)

Another that made needle measurements for reference:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...NDUxYzA2ODg5Nw

The ismacs needle list combines all the needle makers lists and systems and is useful though not 100% and a little confusing in spots:

http://ismacs.net/needle_and_shank/p...eedle-list.pdf

Enjoy,

Jon