Restore - Refurbish - Service
03-22-2013, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DogHouseMom
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I don't understand something. If all I do to a machine is clean it, no parts replaced or repaired ... just cleaned and polished ... why is it not "restored" to it's original condition as opposed to "refurbished"??
Or are you saying that "restoration" MUST include the replacement or rebuild of some parts??
And lastly ... some "fine lines" ... where do items such as needles, and belts come into play?? Needles especially are considered 'consumables' ... like motor oil ... and on some machines only the original needles can be used, but on others newly manufactured and readily available needles can be used. Belts are also somewhat 'consumable' .. is it "original" if the same type of belt was used?
I don't understand something. If all I do to a machine is clean it, no parts replaced or repaired ... just cleaned and polished ... why is it not "restored" to it's original condition as opposed to "refurbished"??
Or are you saying that "restoration" MUST include the replacement or rebuild of some parts??
And lastly ... some "fine lines" ... where do items such as needles, and belts come into play?? Needles especially are considered 'consumables' ... like motor oil ... and on some machines only the original needles can be used, but on others newly manufactured and readily available needles can be used. Belts are also somewhat 'consumable' .. is it "original" if the same type of belt was used?
A restoration is much more than a refurbish or servicing. If a machine is in such good condition that it doesn't need repaired, rebuilt, parts replaces, it's original. Much better for the collector than a "restored" machine.
Needles, belts, should be original. Simanco needles and belts can be found, I have some. To make a machine 100% original it needs OEM parts. Any other state makes it a used, refurbished, repaired machine.
Joe
03-22-2013, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kitsykeel
Joe,
I wonder if you are referring to my thread about cleaning, oiling and adjusting a Featherweight for our local Habitat for Humanity "RESTORE." That is the NAME of the thrift store. Maybe you misunderstood my remark about the Restore Featherweight. Is that possible?
I wonder if you are referring to my thread about cleaning, oiling and adjusting a Featherweight for our local Habitat for Humanity "RESTORE." That is the NAME of the thrift store. Maybe you misunderstood my remark about the Restore Featherweight. Is that possible?
No I wasn't referring to your HfH thread. Just a lot of threads where the posters used the word restore to indicate something else.
Joe
03-22-2013, 03:15 AM
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We RESTORE Featherweights, sometimes custom, and sometimes original. If its painted a color other than stock, it is a custom restoration as I call it... Here is a link to a complete restoration. http://www.wctc.net/~arm/singer221.htm
03-22-2013, 08:20 AM
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Dang a Bear! I'm glad we got that straight! Earth might have slipped off its axis otherwise and then Someone would have had to either refurbish, repair or restore the balance. froggyintexas
Originally Posted by J Miller
Many folks here use the words restore and restoration when they are actually just refurbishing, repairing or servicing a machine.
Let me explain.
Having been involved in the collecting of vintage fountain pens, older firearms, and for a short time a 1927 Chevy car, I've come to learn the real meaning of the the words "RESTORE" and "RESTORATION".
Restoration: Is the end result of when you take an object and restore it to it's original condition. In this case sewing machines. When you restore, you completely rebuild it back to it's original mechanical and visual condition, putting to it's original configuration, using ONLY ORIGINAL FACTORY PARTS . It will be as it was the day it rolled out of the factory.
Refurbishing: Is what you do when you repair a machine, using factory or what ever parts are available, back to functional useable condition. This includes, but is not limited to; cleaning, adjusting, replacing parts, repairing damaged parts, touching up or polishing the paint and plating and fixing the cases or cabinets.
This IS NOT restoration.
Repairing: Is what you do when you fix a damaged machine. This is not restoration.
Servicing: Is what you do when you clean, adjust, and oil a machine to make it work properly.
This is not restoration either.
Since we deal with modern, semi modern, classic, vintage, and antique machines here, I thought I'd get this pet peeve off of my chest. A lot of members here are always using the term restore when all they are doing is refurbishing or servicing their machines.
If you have read my posts, you will notice I do not use the terms restore or restoration when referring to what I do to my machines. I do use the term refurbishing or repair as that is what I do with some of them. The others just get serviced.
Hope I don't ruffle any feathers, but I needed to say this.
Joe
Let me explain.
Having been involved in the collecting of vintage fountain pens, older firearms, and for a short time a 1927 Chevy car, I've come to learn the real meaning of the the words "RESTORE" and "RESTORATION".
Restoration: Is the end result of when you take an object and restore it to it's original condition. In this case sewing machines. When you restore, you completely rebuild it back to it's original mechanical and visual condition, putting to it's original configuration, using ONLY ORIGINAL FACTORY PARTS . It will be as it was the day it rolled out of the factory.
Refurbishing: Is what you do when you repair a machine, using factory or what ever parts are available, back to functional useable condition. This includes, but is not limited to; cleaning, adjusting, replacing parts, repairing damaged parts, touching up or polishing the paint and plating and fixing the cases or cabinets.
This IS NOT restoration.
Repairing: Is what you do when you fix a damaged machine. This is not restoration.
Servicing: Is what you do when you clean, adjust, and oil a machine to make it work properly.
This is not restoration either.
Since we deal with modern, semi modern, classic, vintage, and antique machines here, I thought I'd get this pet peeve off of my chest. A lot of members here are always using the term restore when all they are doing is refurbishing or servicing their machines.
If you have read my posts, you will notice I do not use the terms restore or restoration when referring to what I do to my machines. I do use the term refurbishing or repair as that is what I do with some of them. The others just get serviced.
Hope I don't ruffle any feathers, but I needed to say this.
Joe
03-22-2013, 10:27 AM
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I don't worry about semantics, though obviously others do. Some others hate the term "harp space" too. I really don't care about any of it. Most vintage sewing machine values are pretty low so I don't sweat the small stuff.
03-22-2013, 11:38 AM
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My favorite misused terms is "heavy duty" and "industrial strength" applied to the domestic Black Singer. Compared to today machine's this might be true but anyone that's seen a real industrial would laugh.
Jon
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03-22-2013, 08:31 PM
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Chickadee,
Thank you for that wonderfully thorough pictorial explanation of what you do to restore Featherweights. So very interesting. Never realized there were that many little parts in my little machine.
Thank you for that wonderfully thorough pictorial explanation of what you do to restore Featherweights. So very interesting. Never realized there were that many little parts in my little machine.
03-23-2013, 03:51 AM
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Words have meaning. If we use the wrong words then we do not convey the meaning we are trying to put across.
At that point the reader can only guess what the writer is trying to say.
I've said my peace and will leave this thread at this point.
Joe
At that point the reader can only guess what the writer is trying to say.
I've said my peace and will leave this thread at this point.
Joe
03-23-2013, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by J Miller
Glenn,
That is an important point. In the antique business any repairs that alter the item reduces it's value. Provenance and originality rule.
Joe
That is an important point. In the antique business any repairs that alter the item reduces it's value. Provenance and originality rule.
Joe
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