My DH and I love a really old, ugly apple - Grimes Golden - but they are getting really hard to find. Stores won't carry them because they look terrible - green apple with spots on it - so nobody plants them anymore and the old ones are dying. Found a source on the internet last fall but the lady on the phone said that they did not have any apples last year as they had a very bad hail storm that spring that took off all of their blooms - so I will try them again this fall.