Copyright aggrevation.
07-27-2010, 12:25 PM
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"My question is: What is the simplest way to find out what blocks/patterns are considered to be in the Public Domain?"
A block/pattern has to be out there for 70 years before it
is considered public domain.
A block/pattern has to be out there for 70 years before it
is considered public domain.
07-27-2010, 12:37 PM
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My question always is "what part of the pattern is truly original" and copyrightable. If a pattern is of say a "Rail Fence" which has been in public domain for many many years, then what makes it copyrightable. I looked at one of the web sites mention that sells patterns and found many just old designs. So what is the copyright on.
07-27-2010, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by marciacp
Also, the designer does have the right to say what can be done with that pattern and
limit whether or not items made from it can be sold, and if so, how many can be sold.
limit whether or not items made from it can be sold, and if so, how many can be sold.
I haven't bought a pattern since I've learned how to use EQ7. :-D :-D :-D EQ design downloads are on hundreds of quilting groups and blogs and they are free!
07-27-2010, 01:25 PM
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The new issue of McCall's quilting was in my mailbox today and it has a very informative article on copyright law.
A copyright lasts for 70 years AFTER the creators death. You cannot make a quilt and display it at a quilt show, etc. without the creators permission.
Much more. Please read it! Quilters are notarious for breaking the copyright laws.
A copyright lasts for 70 years AFTER the creators death. You cannot make a quilt and display it at a quilt show, etc. without the creators permission.
Much more. Please read it! Quilters are notarious for breaking the copyright laws.
07-27-2010, 01:48 PM
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I agree that is not helpful for a designer to put all those
do's and don't's in her copyright statement. I am not
one of those designers that puts those kinds of restrictions
on my patterns for that very reason.
And, you are right - there are many free patterns now
available, both for EQ and for blocks of the months,
etc., which makes it really hard to make a living designing patterns because of those reasons.
Then, there are many people that do have misconceptions
about a copyrighted pattern, and some quilters, quilt
teachers and even shop owners, think that they can take someone's pattern, photocopy it for the members of
their class or even shop, and hand it out freely. Also,
many quilters think it is fine to purchase one pattern
and then pass it out to their quilting group for everyone
to make - that is completely against anyone's copyright.
I am on several yahoo quilting groups and they offer
free quilt patterns quite often, usually designed by someone
in the group. However, even the designers of those free
patterns have copyright statements and strict rules on who
can have access to that pattern and who can't.
If it is a charity making quilts for say "Wounded Warriors",
or "Quilts of Valor", I think most designers, if contacted,
would be happy to give permission for a small group to
use one pattern for that purpose - I know I would. But
that has to be the individual designers decision, because
it is their livelihood that they have to consider.
Photo copying patterns and freely handing them out
to classes, quilting groups, etc. goes on all over the
place many times with no hesitation whatsoever.
So, designers are forced to try and set some rules
to hopefully make people stop and think at least.
And, if they have it stated clearly on their pattern,
then if a violation has occurred, they can legally
take measures. This is a very tough issue for
both the consumer and the designer. Like I said before,
my perception completely changed when I got on the
designing side rather than the consumer side.
do's and don't's in her copyright statement. I am not
one of those designers that puts those kinds of restrictions
on my patterns for that very reason.
And, you are right - there are many free patterns now
available, both for EQ and for blocks of the months,
etc., which makes it really hard to make a living designing patterns because of those reasons.
Then, there are many people that do have misconceptions
about a copyrighted pattern, and some quilters, quilt
teachers and even shop owners, think that they can take someone's pattern, photocopy it for the members of
their class or even shop, and hand it out freely. Also,
many quilters think it is fine to purchase one pattern
and then pass it out to their quilting group for everyone
to make - that is completely against anyone's copyright.
I am on several yahoo quilting groups and they offer
free quilt patterns quite often, usually designed by someone
in the group. However, even the designers of those free
patterns have copyright statements and strict rules on who
can have access to that pattern and who can't.
If it is a charity making quilts for say "Wounded Warriors",
or "Quilts of Valor", I think most designers, if contacted,
would be happy to give permission for a small group to
use one pattern for that purpose - I know I would. But
that has to be the individual designers decision, because
it is their livelihood that they have to consider.
Photo copying patterns and freely handing them out
to classes, quilting groups, etc. goes on all over the
place many times with no hesitation whatsoever.
So, designers are forced to try and set some rules
to hopefully make people stop and think at least.
And, if they have it stated clearly on their pattern,
then if a violation has occurred, they can legally
take measures. This is a very tough issue for
both the consumer and the designer. Like I said before,
my perception completely changed when I got on the
designing side rather than the consumer side.
07-27-2010, 01:50 PM
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Thank you for adding 70 years after the designers death.
That is correct. And, yes, quilter's are notorious for
violating copyright laws. Thanks for that brief, but clear
note - I tend to be much too wordy - so sorry :).
Marcia
That is correct. And, yes, quilter's are notorious for
violating copyright laws. Thanks for that brief, but clear
note - I tend to be much too wordy - so sorry :).
Marcia
07-27-2010, 01:53 PM
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thank heavens I haven't bought any patterns...
I do have books and magazines - guess I'll toss those because I paid for the patterns in them by buying them...
so pooie poo on somebody claiming my work, my time, my fabric, my quilt..
I'll design my own in EQ thank you very much
I do have books and magazines - guess I'll toss those because I paid for the patterns in them by buying them...
so pooie poo on somebody claiming my work, my time, my fabric, my quilt..
I'll design my own in EQ thank you very much
07-27-2010, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JJs
thank heavens I haven't bought any patterns...
I do have books and magazines - guess I'll toss those because I paid for the patterns in them by buying them...
so pooie poo on somebody claiming my work, my time, my fabric, my quilt..
I'll design my own in EQ thank you very much
I do have books and magazines - guess I'll toss those because I paid for the patterns in them by buying them...
so pooie poo on somebody claiming my work, my time, my fabric, my quilt..
I'll design my own in EQ thank you very much
but just feel better about it if I'm am given credit for the original design..............and also as I said, I really do get upset if someone teaches or copies my designs and distributes to others without my permission....that upsets me!
Jacqu� from the mountains......
07-27-2010, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Scissor Queen
Originally Posted by knlsmith
I don't know about patterns like that from magazines. All I know for sure is that each pattern has a copyright of some type, Ususally printed on the back or on their website, and the ones that i use you need permission to sell items made from the pattern.
I see other people selling places without paying for the right to do so like I did.
I see other people selling places without paying for the right to do so like I did.
07-27-2010, 03:40 PM
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Whew...I'm exhausted reading about this...it has become too confusing. It is a far cry from using up your family's old shirts etc in the old days hasn't it? Nowdays it's all about money. So many people sewing, making patterns, the high tech quilt world has exploded and it's changed into a chance to make $$.
I first ran into this issue when I would have my quilts machine quilted. In the old days...a whole group may have quilted a quilt, no copyright problem there. My quilters told me, it's your quilt, you don't have to put my name on it because I quilted it on my machine. But now there are awards for it (well deserved) and some famous machine quilters!
My point? Uh, I don't have one. So I guess I'll go sew for awhile.
I first ran into this issue when I would have my quilts machine quilted. In the old days...a whole group may have quilted a quilt, no copyright problem there. My quilters told me, it's your quilt, you don't have to put my name on it because I quilted it on my machine. But now there are awards for it (well deserved) and some famous machine quilters!
My point? Uh, I don't have one. So I guess I'll go sew for awhile.
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