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Thread: Hooping for Embroidering after Sandwiching all 3 layers

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    I could use any hints that anyone has on how to hoop all three layers of the quilt for doing embroidery on. It really is thick and hard to keep in the hoop, but I want to do some embroidery designs in some of the blocks. But I am not quite sure how to go about it. Any hints would be appreciated. Thank you.

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    I think you should probably embroider the block before sandwiching.

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    use a sticky stabilizer and only hoop the stabilizer, then place the quilt on top, it's gonna be tricky and I wouldn't walk away, stay close in case the weight tries to shift

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    When I do them I have to loosen the screw as much as it will go and hoop. I use low loft batting when I am embroidering through all 3 layers.

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    I agree with racnquilter - embroider blocks first.

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    when hooping the entire three layers you should consider how it will look on the reverse side. Most embroidery designs don't look good on the back and need another layer to cover up all the bunches of thread. Embroidery before hooping is usually more successful and then machine quilt around the design when layers are together.

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    What batting are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewnsewer2
    What batting are you using?
    Low loft polyester

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    Depends on the design you use do a sample first. Here is a baby quilt I did, It shows the front and back.

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    I embroider my quilts all the time. I only use outline stitches on the 3 layer sandwich. If other embroidery designs are used, those with fill stitches they must be embroidered on the top only. Otherwise they'll be ugly on the back. The outline stitches look as good on the top as the bottom-at least they should!

    Here's what I do:

    Hoop the sandwich. Yes, it can be tricky but is worth the time saved quilting it on your own.

    I use NO stablizer as the batting acts as the stabilizer, especially on outline, quilting designs. I only use a thin batting like Warm and Natural or a low loft fusible, batting.

    I stitch out a sample first to test tension of the design. Often times I lower the top tension on my machine. I don't use the pig tail in the bobbin (for Berninas) and set up my machine for normal sewing. This evens out the tension.

    I stitch out the design on my quilt and watch it carefully. I hold the fabric up lightly as the weight of the quilt pulls on the embroidery arm...especially if the quilt is large. I don't create any tension on the quilt I simply keep the quilt lifted up off the arm so it doesn't "pull".

    Hope this helps. I embroider/quilt many of my quilts using my embroidery function. In fact, it's why I bought my machine to begin with. I don't have a long-arm, but this is the closest I can get to perfect feathers etc. I do FMQ a lot on my own, but the embroidery function makes it look so professional and perfect!

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    I always embroider my blocks first as well. I think three layers are too thick for your hoop to get a nice flat design. It maybe possible to stretch your hoop with 3 layers, and it may not want to tighten down when you do a single layer block (+ Plus stabilizer). Your going to have all the thread showing from the back side of your quilt.(?) Sounds like it will be a lot of seams to stitch together by hand as well. (?)
    Good luck with your project.

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    Candace just gave you the perfect instructions. Her method is the same as mine. It really works well. Good luck. :thumbup:

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    I had trouble with my first using 100 poly. My dealer sais to use a little thicker batting.
    I have done 2 quilts all 3 layers and its the way to finish for me!
    Do you have the magnetic hoop or srew. The magnetic seem to hold better.
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    different machine quilting designs are referred to as "embroidery" They can be similar to hand embroidery or single line quilting designs as in the picture from grma33. These single line designs work well for machine quilting after the layers have been put together.

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    This is a fantastic thread. I have always wanted to try this.

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    Can you get a magnetic hoop for any machine, or is it just for certain brands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace
    I embroider my quilts all the time. I only use outline stitches on the 3 layer sandwich. If other embroidery designs are used, those with fill stitches they must be embroidered on the top only. Otherwise they'll be ugly on the back. The outline stitches look as good on the top as the bottom-at least they should!

    Here's what I do:

    Hoop the sandwich. Yes, it can be tricky but is worth the time saved quilting it on your own.

    I use NO stablizer as the batting acts as the stabilizer, especially on outline, quilting designs. I only use a thin batting like Warm and Natural or a low loft fusible, batting.

    I stitch out a sample first to test tension of the design. Often times I lower the top tension on my machine. I don't use the pig tail in the bobbin (for Berninas) and set up my machine for normal sewing. This evens out the tension.

    I stitch out the design on my quilt and watch it carefully. I hold the fabric up lightly as the weight of the quilt pulls on the embroidery arm...especially if the quilt is large. I don't create any tension on the quilt I simply keep the quilt lifted up off the arm so it doesn't "pull".

    Hope this helps. I embroider/quilt many of my quilts using my embroidery function. In fact, it's why I bought my machine to begin with. I don't have a long-arm, but this is the closest I can get to perfect feathers etc. I do FMQ a lot on my own, but the embroidery function makes it look so professional and perfect!
    Thanks Candace. I only use the embroidery designs that do the outline stitching on quilts like you said, so thanks for all your advice. The only time I uses the embroidered designs that are filled in is on something that would be just one layer. The single outline stitching designs are so beautiful and there are so many available, so that is what I wanted to try. Thank you so much for all your help and also everyone else who commented. Is so helpful to have other quilters that have the same issues that we all have. Great site for us all! Judy

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    Quote Originally Posted by grma33
    I had trouble with my first using 100 poly. My dealer sais to use a little thicker batting.
    I have done 2 quilts all 3 layers and its the way to finish for me!
    Do you have the magnetic hoop or srew. The magnetic seem to hold better.
    Gale
    I have the screw hoop. Not sure if a magnetic hoop is available for my machine or not. I have the Brother 4000D.

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    I agree.

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    Judy, if you have other questions you can PM me. There are a lot of nice quilting designs available. You're right!

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    I see what your talking about now. You are not talking about an embroidery design. Your talking about a quilting motif.
    So it's OK to see the motif on the back. :-D

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    I, too agree with Candace. I did a queen sized quilt with 80/20 poly on a Pfaff 7570 using a card special for 'quilting'. I loved the way it turned out. The only problem I had was with the weight of the quilt pulling the design off a little and when I made sure that there was enough 'give' for the quilt to move around the frame. And yes it was tricky getting it to hoop, but after you do it a dozen times or more you will get the hang of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Candace
    I embroider my quilts all the time. I only use outline stitches on the 3 layer sandwich. If other embroidery designs are used, those with fill stitches they must be embroidered on the top only. Otherwise they'll be ugly on the back. The outline stitches look as good on the top as the bottom-at least they should!

    Here's what I do:

    Hoop the sandwich. Yes, it can be tricky but is worth the time saved quilting it on your own.

    I use NO stablizer as the batting acts as the stabilizer, especially on outline, quilting designs. I only use a thin batting like Warm and Natural or a low loft fusible, batting.

    I stitch out a sample first to test tension of the design. Often times I lower the top tension on my machine. I don't use the pig tail in the bobbin (for Berninas) and set up my machine for normal sewing. This evens out the tension.

    I stitch out the design on my quilt and watch it carefully. I hold the fabric up lightly as the weight of the quilt pulls on the embroidery arm...especially if the quilt is large. I don't create any tension on the quilt I simply keep the quilt lifted up off the arm so it doesn't "pull".

    Hope this helps. I embroider/quilt many of my quilts using my embroidery function. In fact, it's why I bought my machine to begin with. I don't have a long-arm, but this is the closest I can get to perfect feathers etc. I do FMQ a lot on my own, but the embroidery function makes it look so professional and perfect!

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    I understand now what you are wanting to do. My first thought reading it yesterday was that you wanted to embroider a complex (for lack of better term) design, not a simple one line design.

    Learn something new all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racnquilter
    I understand now what you are wanting to do. My first thought reading it yesterday was that you wanted to embroider a complex (for lack of better term) design, not a simple one line design.

    Learn something new all the time.
    Yeah, guess I probably gave it the wrong name. They are single stitch designs for quilting.

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    lay your three layers on top of the stabilize and you should have a setting that you can stitch a large frame around your hoop in a basteing stitch. I use it for all my emb and it helps to keep it from puckering

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