Not to keep stirring the pot, but....
08-28-2010, 04:56 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by fmd36
Wait until you get into machine embroidery.....copyrights up the kazoo. They monitor what is selling on ebay and craig's list and will come after you if you innocently buy a design. Luckily many are extremely generous with free designs. Buyer beware.
08-28-2010, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hobo2000
It is exactly like music. Everytime a record is played on TV or radio that station pays ASCAP or BMI money for playing that music. That's why its illegal for kids to download from underground sites for free and listen and pass on music because the people who made the recordings are being cheated out of their just payment. The designers make their money by charging us a price to USE their pattern for our own quilts. It is illegal for me to give you a copy of the pattern or make a quilt from the pattern to sell. That is making money off someone else's Intellectual Property. However, if I design a quilt and it uses a new block I came up with plus some old timy blocks, I can get a copyright on the entire design. No one really "gives" you a copyright. You go on line fill out the form and submit it with your money and you have your copyright.
One of the authors I read, had the music Industry email her saying she could not post her play list, without their permission and paying them some money, as they represent the music unions.
So now she puts up individual links once she has the permission of the musicians, who enjoy the publicity and it gets them revenue instead of the industry.
08-28-2010, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Deborah12687
laws need to be revamped so people can understand them with out consulting with lawyers to figure it out.
But this is the one thing in this whole thread of discussion that you can be 100% sure will Never happen.
Lawyers draw up laws to put themselves out of business?? Hmmmm.....
08-28-2010, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hobo2000
It is exactly like music. Everytime a record is played on TV or radio that station pays ASCAP or BMI money for playing that music. That's why its illegal for kids to download from underground sites for free and listen and pass on music because the people who made the recordings are being cheated out of their just payment. The designers make their money by charging us a price to USE their pattern for our own quilts. It is illegal for me to give you a copy of the pattern or make a quilt from the pattern to sell. That is making money off someone else's Intellectual Property. However, if I design a quilt and it uses a new block I came up with plus some old timy blocks, I can get a copyright on the entire design. No one really "gives" you a copyright. You go on line fill out the form and submit it with your money and you have your copyright.
Those laws do not bleed over into other fields automatically.
Again, a lot of hashing for lawyers.
08-28-2010, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Emma S
Sorry guys. Read all of the posts and the articles sited still can't figure it out. I understand why a teacher using someone elses pattern should get the permission of the designer before using it in a class but what about say posting a picture on this web site. Would I have to get the designers written permission? Would just naming her book, much like a footnote in a thesis, satify any legal obligation?
08-28-2010, 07:35 PM
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When I see that copyright statement in any magazine I will drop my subscription and go back to my own library of books and do as I please. When the original maker of the quilt sells it to a magazine they have made their money. When the quilt magazine sells the copy, they have made their money. If I am not allowed to sell anything I make from their patterns I will not be paying for the expensive subscriptions any more. I think the subscriptions are ridiculously expensive anyway considering that you only get 5-6 copies a year and most of them do not have anything in them that I want to make anyway.
08-28-2010, 07:43 PM
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Perhaps a moral guideline to follow would be:
if I had designed this quilt and/or created the pattern/directions for it - how would I feel about others using it "for free"?
if I had designed this quilt and/or created the pattern/directions for it - how would I feel about others using it "for free"?
08-28-2010, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bearisgray
Perhaps a moral guideline to follow would be:
if I had designed this quilt and/or created the pattern/directions for it - how would I feel about others using it "for free"?
if I had designed this quilt and/or created the pattern/directions for it - how would I feel about others using it "for free"?
you pay for the patterns in the magazine when you PAY FOR THE MAGAZINE
You aren't stealing anything. If the designers and the quilt mags consider it stealing if you use the pattern in the magazine and then sell YOUR quilt or show YOUR quilt then they should quit putting the patterns in the magazines and books and on the internet...
08-28-2010, 07:56 PM
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I thought the whole idea of creating something beautiful was for the enjoyment of all who see it.
Also I was taught as a child that "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
It appears some were taught differently???
Somehow some seem to have lost the "others-centered" roots that many of us grew up with and replaced that attitude with "It's mine, all mine, only mine."
Also I was taught as a child that "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
It appears some were taught differently???
Somehow some seem to have lost the "others-centered" roots that many of us grew up with and replaced that attitude with "It's mine, all mine, only mine."
08-28-2010, 08:31 PM
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At a certain level it becomes about the dollar, not about the quilt.
I don't subscribe either.
I don't subscribe either.
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