Thank you for all the input. I did have a short arm machine with a 10 ft frame so I am familiar with stand up quilting. My setup was recently damaged/crushed when we had a mishap with a broken water pipe in my upstairs bathroom and the ceiling below came crashing down and totally crushed the frame and machine. I have been looking at used setups, but hubby insist I get a new setup. There are no dealers in my area. I found Sewing Machines Plus and I am interested in the KingQuilter with a 12' frame. I just have not found any reviews of this machine. I am on a beer budget....

I recently purchased a nice used machine that meets my needs perfectly. Before I bought this machine, I had done quite a lot of research. If I had purchased new, I would have bought the 20" Eclipse on a 12 ft Grace frame. I found out about the Eclipse at a quilt show in May. It is really nice and in the same price range as the King Quilter. if you want more info about the Eclipse, PM me.

I also have a Tin Lizzie 18, and now that I have learned to work with it (Tension), it is great. Mine sits on a gracie frame, and I find it very sturdy and not a problem. The encoders and rails were a problem to start, but since my dealer put on new everything, it works really well. The new Tin Lizzies are even better, and the price is so much better than others I have looked at.