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ljorange 03-14-2011 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by Prism99

Originally Posted by Sunflower Girl
Will the Retyane take out the stains that have already bled?

For the already stained fabric, use Synthrapol. It may take several washings with Synthrapol in hot water to get out all of the displaced dye.

Retayne permanently sets dye in fabric, so that is why you use it on the fabric that is doing the bleeding. It usually works the first time around, but you still have to test the fabric. Some fabrics will need the Retayne treatment twice to become colorfast.

Once you have an unwanted bleed in the fabric, it's Synthrapol you want to use. Synthrapol is also what I use when washing a quilt for the first time, as it will suspend any unset dye particles in the water to be rinsed away instead of settling into other fabric.

There are two different reasons why a fabric can bleed. One is simply excess dye in the fabric. Fibers can absorb only so much dye; if the factory has not rinsed the fabric sufficiently, the extra dye will come out in the wash water. The more serious reason for fabric bleeding is when the factory has not properly set the dye with chemicals. When the bleeding continues past the first washing, it is because the dyes were not set properly; that's why you need to use Retayne.

You *never* want to use Retayne on a finished quilt; if you happen to have a bleeder in the quilt, Retayne will permanently set bleeds into the other fabrics.

If you have a bleeding fabric in which the dye was never set properly, then merely washing several times with color catchers probably won't stop the bleeding. The fabric will simply continue to bleed and fade in color with each wash.

Color catchers attract dye particles that are loose in the water so the dye particles don't have a chance to settle in fabric. They are fine as extra insurance when I wash a quilt for the first time in Synthrapol, but I don't rely on them exclusively.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't even aware of these products until I read about them here.

jpthequilter 03-15-2011 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by CarrieAnne
LOL, I thought you cut yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad its just the fabric!

If it had been bloodstained, Krogers eye wash - or any eyewash will take out the blood stains. Just apply it with a q-stick or cotton ball, wait, wait until the stain has completely dissappeared, then rinse the area well (maybe using an eye dropper) several times, each time, pat very dry with paper towels and if you can, WASH WELL in the washer to remove all the chemicals in the eye wash. They maybe can weaken the fibers if it is left in the fabric. I have got a fifteen year old stain out of an old quilt this way, but it took several hours or overnight to work.
JP

BettyM 03-15-2011 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Tilladare
Retayne will set the dye

If I remember correctly, the fabric must always be washed with cold water after using Retayne.

Marion Jean 03-15-2011 03:13 PM

Thank goodness you washed it before you used it in a quilt!

Tilladare 03-15-2011 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by BettyM

Originally Posted by Tilladare
Retayne will set the dye

If I remember correctly, the fabric must always be washed with cold water after using Retayne.

Actually, the directions on the bottle say use Retayne in hot (140) water, then after that use warm

jane65us 03-15-2011 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by ljorange

Originally Posted by Prism99

Originally Posted by Sunflower Girl
Will the Retyane take out the stains that have already bled?

For the already stained fabric, use Synthrapol. It may take several washings with Synthrapol in hot water to get out all of the displaced dye.

Retayne permanently sets dye in fabric, so that is why you use it on the fabric that is doing the bleeding. It usually works the first time around, but you still have to test the fabric. Some fabrics will need the Retayne treatment twice to become colorfast.

Once you have an unwanted bleed in the fabric, it's Synthrapol you want to use. Synthrapol is also what I use when washing a quilt for the first time, as it will suspend any unset dye particles in the water to be rinsed away instead of settling into other fabric.

There are two different reasons why a fabric can bleed. One is simply excess dye in the fabric. Fibers can absorb only so much dye; if the factory has not rinsed the fabric sufficiently, the extra dye will come out in the wash water. The more serious reason for fabric bleeding is when the factory has not properly set the dye with chemicals. When the bleeding continues past the first washing, it is because the dyes were not set properly; that's why you need to use Retayne.

You *never* want to use Retayne on a finished quilt; if you happen to have a bleeder in the quilt, Retayne will permanently set bleeds into the other fabrics.

If you have a bleeding fabric in which the dye was never set properly, then merely washing several times with color catchers probably won't stop the bleeding. The fabric will simply continue to bleed and fade in color with each wash.

Color catchers attract dye particles that are loose in the water so the dye particles don't have a chance to settle in fabric. They are fine as extra insurance when I wash a quilt for the first time in Synthrapol, but I don't rely on them exclusively.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't even aware of these products until I read about them here.

How about trying 1 cup of white vinegar in you wash? it sets the dyes in egg coloring why not fabric
:?:

Prism99 03-15-2011 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by jane65us
How about trying 1 cup of white vinegar in you wash? it sets the dyes in egg coloring why not fabric
:?:

The dyes in egg coloring are probably primarily organic in origin, since they need to be safe if eaten. Fabric dyes these days are primarily chemical in origin, and chemical dyes are typically not responsive to vinegar and salt; they require chemical setting agents.

quilting cat 03-16-2011 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by watson's mom

Originally Posted by fabric_fancy
i'd let that fabric go it would be terrible for the person receiving the gift to have it ruined in the first washing.

I would be upset if I bought a quilt to help support a charity only to have it bleed and be ruined. Since you haven't used it already I would throw it out. Besides, everyone will know you made it and be afraid to buy anything else when word gets around and you know how we love to talk.

What I sew goes to the users, not sold, so reputation is the charity's not mine.
Thanks to all the suggestions posted, I have Retayne on my shopping list.
I was raised to be too thrifty to throw out over 3 yards of handsome fabric. I MIGHT end up with a new red dress! (But then I'd probably have to wear a pink bra!) :lol:

patsyo56721 03-19-2011 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by quilting cat
Yesterday I was given a large sack of fabrics to use for a charity. The first two loads through the washer came out fine, but the third load :roll: :x ...
A beautiful woven stripe, mostly red with white patterned stripes and single threads of black had turned the water redder than raspberry jello within seconds! After the second rinse, I pulled it out and re-rinsed the other fabrics in the load. Only two seem to have been stained. (They were probably touching the bleeder when it first got wet.)
What's the best treatment to make this fabric usable? Even the clothespins are stained!

Try washing again with Shout Color Catcher.

Deborahlees 09-25-2012 07:29 AM

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batikmystique 10-24-2012 04:14 PM

SUPER explanation!


Originally Posted by Prism99 (Post 2758773)
For the already stained fabric, use Synthrapol. It may take several washings with Synthrapol in hot water to get out all of the displaced dye.

Retayne permanently sets dye in fabric, so that is why you use it on the fabric that is doing the bleeding. It usually works the first time around, but you still have to test the fabric. Some fabrics will need the Retayne treatment twice to become colorfast.

Once you have an unwanted bleed in the fabric, it's Synthrapol you want to use. Synthrapol is also what I use when washing a quilt for the first time, as it will suspend any unset dye particles in the water to be rinsed away instead of settling into other fabric.

There are two different reasons why a fabric can bleed. One is simply excess dye in the fabric. Fibers can absorb only so much dye; if the factory has not rinsed the fabric sufficiently, the extra dye will come out in the wash water. The more serious reason for fabric bleeding is when the factory has not properly set the dye with chemicals. When the bleeding continues past the first washing, it is because the dyes were not set properly; that's why you need to use Retayne.

You *never* want to use Retayne on a finished quilt; if you happen to have a bleeder in the quilt, Retayne will permanently set bleeds into the other fabrics.

If you have a bleeding fabric in which the dye was never set properly, then merely washing several times with color catchers probably won't stop the bleeding. The fabric will simply continue to bleed and fade in color with each wash.

Color catchers attract dye particles that are loose in the water so the dye particles don't have a chance to settle in fabric. They are fine as extra insurance when I wash a quilt for the first time in Synthrapol, but I don't rely on them exclusively.



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