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Happy Treadler 01-24-2011 07:31 AM

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Last night I finally finished marking a lap quilt I pieced like 3-4 years ago but never finished (it's actually quite a pathetic job of piecing!), and was able to use my new lap hoop that I got last week. I was used to sitting at the window alone with my quilts in a huge frame, so I just thought it was so cool to sit on the couch and quilt. This is a quilt I pieced and started hand quilting, switched to machine quilting, and now I'm back to hand quilting. Haven't hand-quilted for probably 2 years, so I was anxious to see how it went. Figure since it was such a hodge-podge, it'd be my 'test'. It's a quilt for me, anyway, so it's no biggie to me.

I also just bought an "Aunt Becky's" gadget, which I tried and tried to use but there was NO way I could make the thing work (ended up bending a needle big time trying to use the thing). I also attempted to use about 4 different thimbles, but when I finally just quit trying and used my nails, things seem to have gone much easier. One thing I did discover was that I never realized how much I depend on my feeling the needle rather than just pushing. I was watching the game last night, and found that I didn't have a problem glancing away from my work & continuing to quilt if I was working on a straight line. Is using my nails a very bad habit, one I should really try to 'un-train' myself from?? I am a self-taught quilter, and have no idea how I picked up this habit in the first place.

Another question is the position of the quilt while making curves. I am in awe at the projects of several of the handquilters work on this board, and the feathers are amazing. My very simple flower was time-consuming, and I wonder about the technique people use when they're doing a lot of curves. Do you totally re-position your work, or use a different technique with the needle? I found I'm very efficient quilting with my thumb nail.

Yet another question. For those who quilt on their lap, how do you prevent all the markings from wiping off? I thought maybe just folding the quilt with the marks on the inside?

So, I attached a picture of my project for your viewing pleasure. Can you tell if my stitches are small enough, and is there supposed to be that much space between stitches? I used a 100% cotton batting, just an FYI.

Well, I guess that's all I have right now. Sorry to ramble, but I really am excited to be hand quilting again, and I am SO loving this new frame.

Hope you are all having a wonderful Monday!

Trina :)

Hinterland 01-24-2011 07:38 AM

If you're happy using your nail, go ahead. I use a Roxanne thimble, and more recently one from TJ Lane, but I like pricey thimbles. Besides I usually don't have enough finger nail to quilt with anyway.

azdesertrat 01-24-2011 07:40 AM

it looks great! hand quilting takes practice,the more you do it your stitiching just gets better and better.I dont like using a thimble ,its very awkward for me,but I do notice that sometimes if I dont have something on my finger when I push that very small needle thru the fabric it will actually go in my finger! ouch! There are things you can buy to place on your finger for that protection,instead of a thimble,cant think of what they are called right now.But you did good!

NANCYM. 01-24-2011 07:48 AM

I, too, prefer hand quilting over machine & prefer no thimbles. Lots of holes in my finger, but the quilting comes out better for me. Learned in a class about 4 yrs ago, and the teacher used a pillow on her lap. This way she could rotate the work, keeping the back smooth & straight. Enjoy working on your quilt, it looks great!

Borntohandquilt 01-24-2011 08:00 AM

Trina,
I agree with Janet - just go ahead with you method. I also quilt without a thimble because I have to feel the needle. When you need a protection somehow you can also try these little adhesive pads called "Thimble It". I know many hand quilters who use them with success.
For me eveness is the most important thing, the length of the stitches are secondary.
I always do single stitches and for that reason small curves are not a problem for me. I just turn the hoop a little in a comfortable postition. When you load your needle full with stitches it is much more difficult to do smooth curves.
I only mark a few patterns or area on the quilt, then I quilt and mark again. In that way the markings stay long enough on the quilt until the quilting is finished.
Hope that helps!

feline fanatic 01-24-2011 08:01 AM

Trina, it sounds like you quilt exactly like me!! I quilt pushing the needle with my fingernail. I too have to feel the needle at least when I take my first few stitches. I can use a thimble but I have to get my quilting stitches started and take at least 2 stitches, prefably 3, before I can put on a thimble and push the needle with it. Like Hinterland, I use a TJ Lane thimble. But I do not use it on my middle finger. I have one for my index finger and one for my thumb. The TJ Lane thimble has a cut out for your fingernail and also has a little raised spot where the inside of your nail is so quilting with one is almost like quilting with your nail, but I really do prefer going without but if I break a nail or eventually drill a hole in my nail I have to wait for my nail to grow out before I can resume quilting so I try to use the thimble as much as possible to avoid having to take long breaks from my quilt while waiting for my nail to get long enough again.

Like you I seem to get better stitches with my thumb nail. I can only quilt in two directions. Away from me or towards me. So I am constantly turning the hoop. If I try to quilt side to side I just can't do it and I have tried. On tight curves I can only take a few stitches at a time.

Regarding marking... Yes, most marking tools I have used with the exception of graphite rub off so I only mark as I go. I think your hand quilting looks great!

Happy Treadler 01-24-2011 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Borntohandquilt
Trina,
I agree with Janet - just go ahead with you method. I also quilt without a thimble because I have to feel the needle. When you need a protection somehow you can also try these little adhesive pads called "Thimble It". I know many hand quilters who use them with success.
For me eveness is the most important thing, the length of the stitches are secondary.
I always do single stitches and for that reason small curves are not a problem for me. I just turn the hoop a little in a comfortable postition. When you load your needle full with stitches it is much more difficult to do smooth curves.
I only mark a few patterns or area on the quilt, then I quilt and mark again. In that way the markings stay long enough on the quilt until the quilting is finished.
Hope that helps!

Thanks for the encouragement everyone. SO, when you say you pretty much mark the quilt as you go, isn't it difficult to mark it with the quilt already being sandwiched? Do you prefer then to thread baste as opposed to using safety pins?

BTW, feline fanatic - you and I DO seem to be kindred quilters!!

harryb1834 01-24-2011 10:03 AM

Looking great!!!

Thimble it pads may help the hole in your finger nail.




Originally Posted by Happy Treadler
Last night I finally finished marking a lap quilt I pieced like 3-4 years ago but never finished (it's actually quite a pathetic job of piecing!), and was able to use my new lap hoop that I got last week. I was used to sitting at the window alone with my quilts in a huge frame, so I just thought it was so cool to sit on the couch and quilt. This is a quilt I pieced and started hand quilting, switched to machine quilting, and now I'm back to hand quilting. Haven't hand-quilted for probably 2 years, so I was anxious to see how it went. Figure since it was such a hodge-podge, it'd be my 'test'. It's a quilt for me, anyway, so it's no biggie to me.

I also just bought an "Aunt Becky's" gadget, which I tried and tried to use but there was NO way I could make the thing work (ended up bending a needle big time trying to use the thing). I also attempted to use about 4 different thimbles, but when I finally just quit trying and used my nails, things seem to have gone much easier. One thing I did discover was that I never realized how much I depend on my feeling the needle rather than just pushing. I was watching the game last night, and found that I didn't have a problem glancing away from my work & continuing to quilt if I was working on a straight line. Is using my nails a very bad habit, one I should really try to 'un-train' myself from?? I am a self-taught quilter, and have no idea how I picked up this habit in the first place.

Another question is the position of the quilt while making curves. I am in awe at the projects of several of the handquilters work on this board, and the feathers are amazing. My very simple flower was time-consuming, and I wonder about the technique people use when they're doing a lot of curves. Do you totally re-position your work, or use a different technique with the needle? I found I'm very efficient quilting with my thumb nail.

Yet another question. For those who quilt on their lap, how do you prevent all the markings from wiping off? I thought maybe just folding the quilt with the marks on the inside?

So, I attached a picture of my project for your viewing pleasure. Can you tell if my stitches are small enough, and is there supposed to be that much space between stitches? I used a 100% cotton batting, just an FYI.

Well, I guess that's all I have right now. Sorry to ramble, but I really am excited to be hand quilting again, and I am SO loving this new frame.

Hope you are all having a wonderful Monday!

Trina :)


Mamagus 01-24-2011 10:09 AM

Thimble pads have been my salvation! I have a lovely little callous on my middle finger but there are times when I poke a hole through it and I use the thimble pads then to quilt until it toughens up again.

Hand quilting is SO relaxing! Enjoy it!

Hinterland 01-24-2011 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Happy Treadler
SO, when you say you pretty much mark the quilt as you go, isn't it difficult to mark it with the quilt already being sandwiched?

I use a frame, so basting isn't an issue for me. I'm also incredibly impatient to get started so I mark as I go along. Having the quilt sandwiched just makes it easier for me mark lightly.

I'm going to mark my next quilt before I start quilting and see what it's like. I'm using the Clover white pens, which I'm hoping won't rub off before I start stitching.

Borntohandquilt 01-24-2011 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Happy Treadler
Thanks for the encouragement everyone. SO, when you say you pretty much mark the quilt as you go, isn't it difficult to mark it with the quilt already being sandwiched? Do you prefer then to thread baste as opposed to using safety pins?

I don't have any problems marking after the quilt has been basted with a low loft batting. Very often I do needlemarking and for that marking method it is better when the quilt is already basted. I thread baste, don't like safety pins because the quilting thread always tangles around them...

Gal 01-24-2011 11:57 AM

I am also a thumbnail quilter, I do not use thimbles of any kind. I have a very strong thumbnail and I quilt away from myself so turn the hoop often. For curves I go a little slower and take only one or two stitches at a time. I am in no hurry as hand quilting is my most favoured part of quilting.I tried all the thimbles and finger protectors etc but found it was like swimming fully dressed, I just had to work with my bare hands. I very seldom prick my finger, only once in a blue moon now.

Gal

Happy Treadler 01-25-2011 05:55 AM

OK, another question, anybody ever have problems with your needle bending? Are there better quality needles I should be using? I was using a sharp last night & ended up bending my needle. Wasn't even quilting that long.

I am SO enjoying getting back to hand quilting. :)

Hinterland 01-25-2011 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Happy Treadler
OK, another question, anybody ever have problems with your needle bending? Are there better quality needles I should be using? I was using a sharp last night & ended up bending my needle. Wasn't even quilting that long.

Make sure your quilt isn't too tight in the hoop - that can cause bent needles. It is possible to get a pack of defective needles.

I use quilting betweens - I started with a size 9, which feels really long now, and worked my way down to using a size 11. I think betweens are a little stronger than sharps. I like Richard Hemmings and John James, but I always try new ones just in case I find a new favorite.

Janet

feline fanatic 01-25-2011 06:05 AM

I totally agree with Janet about too tight in the hoop can cause bent needles. I was having a terrible time as well with bending needles. Then I discovered Roxanne needles and love, love, love them! I use #11 between of Roxanne brand. The Roxanne needles seem a bit heavier and they have a larger eye, although I still need my magnifying glass that is attached to my Ott lamp in order to thread them. They also stay nice and sharp. It takes me a really long time to bend Roxanne needles and it is usually because I am trying to load to many stitches on it going through a curve.

Borntohandquilt 01-25-2011 06:21 AM

I second what Janet and Feline said - the more pressure you have to put on the needle the more you bend it. In the beginning of my "quilting career" ;-) I often used John James Betweens #12 or Richard Hemmings #12 and after a short time of using they were bent and out of shape although my quilt wasn't very tight in the hoop. I tried the #11 of JJ and it was much better.
I also found out that sharp needles are not as sharp and pointed as betweens, therefore they don't go through the layers of the quilt so easy.

granny216 01-25-2011 06:28 AM

I took a great hand quilting class years ago and the teacher had us using two thimbles. I had always used one and the callouses on the other hand were awful. She told me to wear them around the house daily so I could get use to them and when I first did it it was clumsy. That is the only way I hand quilt now when my arthritis isn't working up. Do mostly machine quilting on smaller quilts and the large ones go out to a very good friend who does an exceptional job.

117becca 01-25-2011 09:59 AM

i use a leather thimble w/ a "coin" in the middle of the finger. i like leather thimbles because i can still "feel", but got frustrated w/ the needle always wearing thru too quickly.

Haven't tried the dot thingys that go on your finger tip...maybe soon!

Joanieu 01-25-2011 10:24 AM

I use a thimble on my middle finger only - for pushing needle through. When I first started quilting I read everywhere that the quilt needs to be tight, well don't listen to that. I bent so many needles that way. I quilt is loose and the betweens have not bended as quickly. They do bend after a while just from using it for a long time. I mark as I go most of the time and I do not have a problem with that - I thread baste. As for the Aunt Becky tool - I have not been able to use it either. I need to feel the needle underneath the quilt - otherwise I can not catch the backing in the stitch. On curves I only take 1 or 2 stitches at a time. and I move my hoop around as I go. I only do 3 stitches at a time anyway. BTW, your quilting looks really good to me...


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