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Sewnoma 06-18-2014 12:57 PM

Hand-sewing and thread tangles
 
I have been working on some hexies and I am going NUTS with how tangled my thread gets when I'm trying to hand-sew. Somehow I seem to be working a massive twist into the threads as I'm sewing.

I've just been using cotton thread (Robison-Anton brand that came with my Janome - really linty so I want to use it up outside of my machine), do I need special thread for hand-sewing? What am I doing that is making me get these crazy twists? The thread starts off fine but then starts to coil around itself - I spend more time untangling than I spend sewing!

I've heard of thread conditioner but I don't know what it is...is that what I'm missing?

I switched to using some poly thread and that helps a little bit, but I still get twists and tangles.

It's been a VERY long time since I've done hand sewing (like since I was a kid) and I don't remember having all these troubles, but who knows what kind of thread I was using...probably something my Grandma handed down to me.

Sisty88 06-18-2014 01:04 PM

I recently asked this question also, but on my phone so can't find the link too easily!
The tips that helped me were to use "thread heaven", which is a thread conditioner and protectant (according to the label!). This helps the thread to glide a little easier.
Another tip was to rotate the needle a little after each stitch (in the opposite direction to the way it is twisted). This has helped me enormously!
I still get the occasional knot, but it's a lot more manageable now!

woody 06-18-2014 01:14 PM

For hand sewing I love the Mettler Silk finish cotton thread, I find it tangles much less than other threads, or silk thread for applique.

Craftnut 06-18-2014 01:31 PM

This may sound nuts, but I swear it helps. Decrease the length of your thread and sew with the thread going the same direction as it comes off the spool. Most of us reel off a couple of arm lengths, cut and thread the needle with that end, then pull it a little ways through the needle, run our hands down to the other end and tie a knot. This will put the thread through the fabric in the opposite direction from the way it comes off the spool, and will increase your tangles. The other thing is we don't want to thread that needle so often so we hand sew with too much thread. So, here's what to do. Pull off only one pull, about 18-20 inches of thread, and snip if off from the spool. Now, take the OTHER end to thread the needle. Tie the knot in the longer end where you cut it from the spool. Trust me, try it.

RedGarnet222 06-18-2014 01:31 PM

Using the hand quilting thread helps with this too. It is coated with something that makes it stiff and stronger for hand piecing and quilting.

ube quilting 06-18-2014 01:31 PM

Don't cut your thread to long. 18 to 20" long is a length that works well to avoid getting knots and tangles.

Thread your needle and make your knot.

Run thread over any old votive or taper candle you have lying around. bees wax is most often mentioned when conditioning thread but i use what I have on hand. The wax will give the thread a bit of body.

( I like to use my favorite scented candle for this, Yankee Candle votive in the Citrus & Sage sent) Smells heavenly when I sew!)

Next, have your iron set to a low temp and run the waxed thread under the warm iron plate. This will remove any excess wax from the thread.

If at any point a tangle or knot starts to develope just drop your needle down and let the thread unwind.

I usually do ten or fifteen needles at a time when I am binding a quilt. I keep them orderly by sticking the needles next to each other in the edge of my ironing board table which is where I do my binding.


Give it a try and I hope it helps a little.
peace

ManiacQuilter2 06-18-2014 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by woody (Post 6764074)
For hand sewing I love the Mettler Silk finish cotton thread, I find it tangles much less than other threads, or silk thread for applique.

Thanks Woody. That is the thread I use on my Bernina. I do love "Thread Heaven". It really does work and I have always bought it at JAF when notions are 50% off.

ckcowl 06-18-2014 01:37 PM

shorter lengths of thread will make all the difference in the world- people always think they will save time if they start with a piece of thread 6 feet long---when you spend most of your time untangling you are not saving anything- start with about 18" of thread- it is a lot faster to rethread a needle than to untangle yards of thread. you can always start with 4 or more needles threaded (with 18" lengths) in a pin cushion so when you run out of one you can just pick up the next one. also, for that linty cotton thread you want to use up- try some bees wax * or 'Thread Heaven' which comes in a little 1" square box- you simply drag the thread across it before starting- same with the bees wax---most shops (local quilt shops and places like Joanne's and hobby lobby) carry both of these products.

patchy-at-best 06-18-2014 06:08 PM

As craftnut said, shorten the length of your thread to no longer than wrist to elbow length.
And ALWAYS thread with the end feeding off the spool. Easiest and quickest way is to thread up to ten needles onto your spool to start with. Thread heaven and bees wax is good, but if your fingers are grubby that'll spread it to your fabric in no time. And if the threads really linty, throw it away. It means its weak. All that time hand sewing shouldn't be wasted on rubbish thread!!

Terri D. 06-18-2014 07:05 PM

Every so often, drop your thread and let it untwist.

Or, try this: When sewing by hand, the natural tendency (although we don't realize we're doing it) is to roll the needle between our fingers as we stitch, causing the thread to twist. If you are right handed, typically, the needle is rolled in a clockwise direction. As you are pulling the needle through to complete the stitch, roll it in the opposite direction to keep the thread from twisting. Naturally, you will want to verify the direction of your twist so you know how you need to compensate.

Another thing that helps is to run your hand sewing thread through a chunk of paraffin wax to coat it, but there are also other types of thread conditioners on the market if paraffin is not available.

bearisgray 06-18-2014 07:15 PM

I have to - reluctantly - agree with using a shorter length of thread. It really does save time - and aggravation. I used to use about a yard at a time. I finally learned to use a shorter length of thread.

If I forget which end came off the spool - I look at how the thread ends hang off the needle - usually one end seem to twist more than the other - I knot the end that has the lesser twist in it.

my-ty 06-18-2014 07:26 PM

Thanks for the great hints. I am guilty of using the 6 foot long thread because "it must be faster". Next time, I will try some of these.

Sewnoma 06-19-2014 05:21 AM

Thank you ladies!!! I will try all of these things.

I remember being taught to sew with "an arm's length" of thread...but now I'm thinking that I was taught that when I was about five or six, so my arm is a lot longer now!! From what you are all saying, I'm definitely sewing with too much thread on the needle.

I happen to have some beeswax laying around, left over from my short-lived foray into candle making. I'll try that too. I am guessing that 100% natural beeswax is just fine, it doesn't have to be some sort of wax blend?

I have no idea what direction my thread is coming off of the spool - I was using a couple of bobbins as my thread spools just for portability. Maybe that's part of my problem too, although I was careful to pull the thread off straight from the side instead of looping it up over the top and then I'd let it dangle free for a bit before threading & knotting, hoping that any twists would sort themselves out. I'll try threading right off of the cone and watch the curl and see if I can figure out anything there.

Onebyone 06-19-2014 06:13 AM

I use Thread Heaven for all my hand stitching. Amazing thread conditioner.

http://www.connectingthreads.com/Too...FTJo7AodHGIA3Q

judi wess 06-19-2014 07:08 AM

...what she said. LOL. I took a class on needle turn app.. at quilt camp and the instructor gave the best advice for tangle proof applique. Her fave thread for this is mettler silk finish and thread heaven. She said never try to use thread longer than 18 in. and thread the needle before cutting it off the spool. I also like hand quilting thread, it is coated.

bearisgray 06-19-2014 07:33 AM

I think hand quilting thread is too thick/heavy for sewing seams - unless one is sewing denim or upholstery.

Onebyone 06-19-2014 09:04 AM

Here is every fact about thread you will even need to know to make the best choice for your handstitching and your machine:

http://www.superiorthreads.com/education/

GrammaNan 06-19-2014 10:32 AM

My grandmother told me once when I was hemming a skirt; "Long thread, lazy girl". It hurt my feelings so bad!. My trick is to take a few stitches, hold the needle horizontally holding the needle with my thumb in the front facing up then pull my thumb down twisting the thread a little bit. It has always worked for me, so I use a long thread all of the time.

Sewnoma 06-20-2014 05:27 AM

I want a magic needle, that never gets dull, never runs out of thread, and never allows tangles.

Is that too much to ask!? :D

I didn't get any time to sew last night but I did look for my beeswax and couldn't find it - it wasn't where I was "sure" it was. So I ordered some Thread Heaven in the meantime. I know that wax is around here *somewhere*....but I probably won't find it until I move again, LOL.

Treasureit 06-20-2014 05:36 AM

I pull off about 2 - 3' of thread and where I cut it I knot it. (then I thread the other end.) Has to do with the manufacturing of the thread I think.


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