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bstroud51 08-01-2010 07:21 AM

I'm new to the longarm and have found sometimes I have what is call Pokey's. This appears to be my needle punching batting and or Quilt Top thur to the back. I am quilting a black, white & red D9P with a black back. Can anyone help?????????????

AlleyCat 08-01-2010 07:26 AM

By chance are you using black batting? have you changed your needle? every once in awhile when I'm using warm and natural it tends to do that. I know I've read somewhere on the board that it has a side that quilts better than the other....

bstroud51 08-01-2010 07:30 AM

I'm using warm and natural batting. I did one before with black batting with same results. I did change my needle before starting.

Candace 08-01-2010 07:32 AM

Do you have the needle punched side of the batting facing up? There is a right and not-so-right side of the batting.

charismah 08-01-2010 07:50 AM

The side that is supposed to face up I call the "orange peel side" of the batting...that should help you. But sometime it still happens..it all washes away.

cjtinkle 08-01-2010 07:55 AM

I put the scrim side down when quilting. But a simple test, take a needle and poke it a couple times on both sides. Whichever side the needle penetrates easiest, put that side up.

crashnquilt 08-01-2010 08:33 AM

The pokies are usually the bobbin thread coming thru to the top. It can really be noticable when using two different colors of threads.

If you are going to use two different threads it is recommended to use polyesther batting. Or an 80/20 batting as these are a bit thicker and have more loft.

Also, you need to adjust both the bobbin and needle tensions. It is difficult at best to get them perfectly balanced for this but getting close is acceptable.

For the bobbin, adjust the case to where you can pick up the bobbin and case with the thread and have the case crawl down much like a spider. Then adjust the needle tension, set it a bit on the tight side so you will see the bobbin thread come up and keep loosening until you can just barely see the bobbin thread on the top side. When you start quilting the bobbin thread should be just right then.

Using just a thin batt like W&N will not accomplish the look you want.

bstroud51 08-01-2010 09:21 AM

I think it is the batting. I have the orange peel side down.

franie 08-01-2010 09:25 AM

Once you take it off the frame, it may relax and go away. I had one doing that and it did go away. I like poly batting better now than W&N but the one that recently did that was using W&N. I have less lint too using the poly batting.

Candace 08-01-2010 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by bstroud51
I think it is the batting. I have the orange peel side down.

Then you have the batting on backwards. This explains your problem.

thequilteddove 08-01-2010 10:28 AM

When using a black backing, I suggest using black batting.

cjtinkle 08-01-2010 11:10 AM

Scrim side should be down. If you aren't sure about this, I suggest contacting the batting producer. If the scrim appears to be more in the middle, then it really doesn't matter.

If you're referring to thread pokies versus batting pokies, than I agree with the above poster, it's a tension issue. It takes a bit of practice to be able to use different colors in the top and bobbin, and a thick batting definitely helps with this issue.


Originally Posted by Candace

Originally Posted by bstroud51
I think it is the batting. I have the orange peel side down.

Then you have the batting on backwards. This explains your problem.


bstroud51 08-01-2010 11:24 AM

It has to be the batting as I am using black thread on both top & bobbin. I flipped the batting and still have the same problem. Any other ideas?

cjtinkle 08-01-2010 12:22 PM

Try a smaller needle?

hcarpanini 08-01-2010 12:47 PM

Loosen the tension on your quilt. You don't want it to be trampoline tight. See if that helps, in addition to a new needle. A dull needle will poke the batt through.

M.I.Late 08-01-2010 01:06 PM

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I've always called that bearding. And have had similar problems. (Used warm and natural both times - which says it's guaranteed not to beard.)
FIRST: I have one quilt with a black back - it bearded - and it is still showing batting fibers through the back - 10 years later. It did not eventually go away or anything; and It's been washed several times)
SECOND: I have a black, white and bright quilt with a black back. We kept changing needles etc. Still bearding (ripped it all out). I finally discovered that I needed to use black batting to camoflage the problem. I knew I had plenty of white on the front and didn't want to gray it out, so I basted a very lightweight white material to the top of the black batting amd it worked beautifully. Is this what you're getting?

Warm N Natural batting bearding on Black
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M.I.Late 08-01-2010 01:27 PM

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Here is the quilt after we fixed it - We used varigated black and white thread and as you can see, you can't see any bearding at all. And the colors are still bright. Real happy with the solution.

Hope this helps.

Black bat with white lining B/W varigated thread
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White lining kept colors bright on front
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BKrenning 08-01-2010 01:40 PM

Smaller needle perhaps?

It's called "bearding" when the batting pokes through. I think it will relax when it's off the frame and the holes will close up. You can test the theory by taking the tension off the sandwich and spritzing the backing with water. Let it dry a while and see if the batting is still poking through.

I had it happen while I was quilting once and it was like little explosions coming up through the quilt top. It would also shred my thread. I think I just got a "dirty" batt. The cotton gin mustn't have been working well the day that batt was processed. Anyway, after the quilt was off the frame & washed, you'd never know that it had been such a beast to quilt.

I just saw M.I.Late's problem child! I would not have been a happy camper! Somebody at Warm & Natural would have gotten a nastygram from me had that been my quilt!

I've got one on the frame now with a black backing and lots of black on the front but I didn't have a black batt to load at the time so I went ahead and used a Hobb's 80/20 unbleached that I had on hand with no problems.

bstroud51 08-01-2010 03:53 PM

Tension being how tight the quilt is stregthed on the frame?

kalady 08-01-2010 04:27 PM

Wow learned alot thanks everyone

bstroud51 08-01-2010 04:29 PM

Thanks for all the help.


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