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joym 01-17-2013 06:53 AM

I always come up short...why?
 
When I do a rail fence or another very similar pattern....when I turn the block around (vertically ), I am always short. Do you know why this happens? Sorry that I cannot post picture (another puzzlement).....not a good start this morning:confused::confused:

PaperPrincess 01-17-2013 07:19 AM

I am guessing that you need to check your seam allowance. Here's a good reference:
http://www.quiltingboard.com/tutoria...ce-t89997.html

With a rail fence, if you sew long strips then cut, rather than using the measurement in the pattern to cut the squares, measure the width of your sewn strip set and use that to cut the squares. If your seams are off this will compensate.

joym 01-17-2013 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by PaperPrincess (Post 5792498)
I am guessing that you need to check your seam allowance. Here's a good reference:
http://www.quiltingboard.com/tutoria...ce-t89997.html

Thanks for ur response. It is not the seam allowances.........there are only three pieces sewn together...each block is cut and sewn the same.....one goes horizontal and the other vertical....but when I turn the vertical one around to sew it to the horizontal one, it is always short....

Traditional Quilter 01-17-2013 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by joym (Post 5792432)
When I do a rail fence or another very similar pattern....when I turn the block around (vertically ), I am always short. Do you know why this happens? Sorry that I cannot post picture (another puzzlement).....not a good start this morning:confused::confused:

It sounds like the problem is in your seam. Measure your finished strip -- If the center strip is not 1/2 inch less than your cut measurement and your outer strips are not 1/4 inch less than your cut strip, your seam is too large. Just readjust your seam. If that doesn't work, make sure you have cut all your pieces accurately.

willferg 01-17-2013 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by joym (Post 5792507)
Thanks for ur response. It is not the seam allowances.........there are only three pieces sewn together...each block is cut and sewn the same.....one goes horizontal and the other vertical....but when I turn the vertical one around to sew it to the horizontal one, it is always short....

Yep, it still sounds like the seam allowance is off. The horizontal side is just cut fabric with no seams, right, and the vertical side is the one with the seams? If your seams are just a tad too wide (easy enough to do), they use up too much fabric and leave your finished piece not wide enough.

I struggled with this for a long time. At times I even cut my pieces a few shades bigger, which helped, but made it hard to keep track of over the course of many pieces. Finally I adjusted my needle and guide to make me sew less than a quarter inch by a shade or two, and now my results are more accurate.

BellaBoo 01-17-2013 07:38 AM

The long edge of the horizontal will stretch, the ends of the strips do not stretch hardly at all. Be very careful when pressing the strips and try not to press the edges, just the seams. Even holding the strips when sewing can stretch them. The last strip block I made I cut the strips lengthwise and had much better results.

mike'sgirl 01-17-2013 08:01 AM

If your sewing machine is like mine, it does not remember the way it was set up when it is turned off and I have to reset any settings each time I turn my machine back on. My needle goes back to the preset position and I have to remember this and move it back to where I have a scant 1/4 inch seam. I hope this helps, and I would also do what Bellaboo said, about pressing. Good luck.

nativetexan 01-17-2013 08:03 AM

you must cut them into squares. same size horizontal as vertical. then no problem will occur.

QuiltE 01-17-2013 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by nativetexan (Post 5792630)
you must cut them into squares. same size horizontal as vertical. then no problem will occur.

BINGO!!!! this way, if your seam width is not that accurate 1/4" you still get them cut in squares.

That being said ... it is vital that all the seam widths of all the stratas be exactly the same, so that all the tri-sets are the same width. Then once you have them all the same width, cut the squares at the same width/length.

knlsmith 01-17-2013 08:49 AM

My thoughts exactly.


Originally Posted by nativetexan (Post 5792630)
you must cut them into squares. same size horizontal as vertical. then no problem will occur.


BellaBoo 01-17-2013 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by nativetexan (Post 5792630)
you must cut them into squares. same size horizontal as vertical. then no problem will occur.


How easy to forget that some do not know this step. It never crossed my mine that it may not be squared up and that was causing the problem.

Jan in VA 01-17-2013 11:07 AM

Sew your strips together and carefully press so that there all seams are completely pressed, no wrinkles/gathers/puckers.
Measure the width of the sewn strip set several times down the length of the set.
That measurement of the sewn strip set will determine the size of your subcuts. They are often a hair more or less than you thought they would be.

Jan in VA

joym 01-17-2013 01:20 PM

Thank you everyone.

Jan, why do the instructions say to pre cut the three pieces that will be sewn together the same size?

Silver Needle 01-17-2013 01:34 PM

Because the longer the strip you sew together the more chance there is for distortion in sewing and/or pressing. I have some 30" strips to sew for a Jinny Beyer DA VINCI quilt and know they will need extra care. Thanks for asking your question. The answers reminded me of some thing I need to be aware of for upcoming quilt.

cattailsquilts 01-17-2013 01:57 PM

I know you already have your answer, but I wanted to let you know you're not the only one!

I have a set of UFO rail fence quilts that I started 10 years ago. I just picked up the completed strip sets for one of them, and I'm SO glad I measured before I started cross-cutting for my blocks! It seams (haha) that my scant 1/4" wasn't so scant 10 years ago, and my strip sets (full width of fabric) were pretty uneven. I just cut my blocks to be 6-3/8" (the width of my strip sets) instead of 6-1/2" (that they were supposed to be), and when I put the top together, everything was perfect.

I'm hoping that the strips for the other quilt won't be so far off, since the sets aren't finished yet... Will see!

PaperPrincess 01-17-2013 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by joym (Post 5793218)
Thank you everyone.

Jan, why do the instructions say to pre cut the three pieces that will be sewn together the same size?

Because they are assuming you have cut the fabric correctly, and your seams are precise. You said your seams were OK, but did you double check using the instructions in this tutorial?

http://www.quiltingboard.com/tutoria...ce-t89997.html

Jan in VA 01-17-2013 08:11 PM

Jan clarifies her previous post:
I wasn't clear that when you measure the sewn strip set in several places, you average those measurements and determine from the average what size to cut ALL your subcuts. There will be some blocks that you will have to 'ease' a bit to fit their adjoining block, but "on average" more of your subcuts blocks will fit together than than if you don't do it this way.

Jan in VA

Dolphyngyrl 01-17-2013 08:49 PM

When you cut the blocks do you measure the width of your strip set, your cuts should equal that size. even if your seam length is off it should be somewhat consistent to each other and if you measure the width you can go off of that. My rail fence was much more accurate this way. Also your cutting of the strips needs to be consistent, if they are all different widths because of inaccurate cutting

Janie67 01-18-2013 05:48 AM

I had the same problem. I thought I was crazy! Lied is short don't make any more rail fence quilts. Lol

luciab 01-18-2013 07:25 AM

I absolutely love the Quilting Board. It is the best quilting resource of all times. I have learned so much here and continue to learn something new every day. To me it's better than going to a class. It is a class! My sincere thanks to everyone for your expertise and knowledge that you so willingly share. I love the article on achieving an accurate quarter inch seam and can't wait to try it. You ladies are the best teachers of all!

mollymunchkin 01-18-2013 08:19 AM

I just finished a doll quilt top for the Jan DQ swap. I used the twist pattern. To make sure everything turned out okay. I measured after every seam. Then I measured again. AND a third time, just to be sure. (I am really good friends with my seam ripper) Then I squared the blocks. Measuring and squaring have helped me so much in matching seams and getting the results I want.

Jingle 01-18-2013 08:38 AM

I have made several rail fence quilts. I use Marti Mitchell's book and have had no problems. I don't remember which book it is. You have gotten some good answers here. I have a problem sometimes sewing exact size seams together. I perfer the strip method, when possible.

MimiBug123 01-18-2013 09:07 AM

I always cut strips WOF, then after sewing 3 together, cut them apart. I've found that my results are much more accurate this way.

Girlfriend 01-18-2013 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by luciab (Post 5794789)
I absolutely love the Quilting Board. It is the best quilting resource of all times. I have learned so much here and continue to learn something new every day. To me it's better than going to a class. It is a class! My sincere thanks to everyone for your expertise and knowledge that you so willingly share. I love the article on achieving an accurate quarter inch seam and can't wait to try it. You ladies are the best teachers of all!

I can't agree with you more. I love this board. Thank you, all of you, out there!

DeAnne-Mn. 01-19-2013 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by BellaBoo (Post 5792553)
The long edge of the horizontal will stretch, the ends of the strips do not stretch hardly at all. Be very careful when pressing the strips and try not to press the edges, just the seams. Even holding the strips when sewing can stretch them. The last strip block I made I cut the strips lengthwise and had much better results.

Thanks, that makes sense to me now. I'll give it a try again.

rebeljane 01-19-2013 06:48 AM

You have to measure the width of your joined fabrics to be able to sub cut to the same size

IBQUILTIN 01-19-2013 10:08 AM

Always, always check your seam size to be sure it is an exact 1/4 inch.

romanojg 01-20-2013 05:26 AM

I used to have that problem doing cival war blocks (61/2 in) and my teacher checked my seam allowances and they were good. She suggested using Aurifil thread because it's a strong cotton thread with only two ply. What a difference one less ply makes when you have lots of seems in a block.

karate lady 01-25-2013 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by joym (Post 5792507)
Thanks for ur response. It is not the seam allowances.........there are only three pieces sewn together...each block is cut and sewn the same.....one goes horizontal and the other vertical....but when I turn the vertical one around to sew it to the horizontal one, it is always short....

sounds like a rail fence patterrn. I have the same problem. Have not figured out why either. What I do is whenI put the two together I kind of center them. Then they go into the bigger square. (4 small sections), I just square them up. Mine usualy are 6 inches from the center. Looks fine when all together as each is squared up the same. smile.


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