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ube quilting 12-26-2013 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by ragamuffin (Post 6474252)
If you would look at the secondary picture, it looks round, like a "fox & goose track" as in the children's game in the snow. I do not know how old that is either. Good luck in finding the real name but I would say to go to Barbara Brackman's site and find or rule out a civil war pattern. I would search & search too if it were mine.

Oh my, I remember that game and playing it through out the Wisconsin winters, when I actually liked the snow! And yes it really is like the game. Wonderful!
peace

running1 12-26-2013 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by auntpiggylpn (Post 6473404)
What a wonderful piece of history no matter the meaning or connotation of the neutral fabric (If there is even one). Thank you for sharing it. I hope you can find out more information on it.

Oh what a history this quilt must have... like others, I know that the swastika became a symbol of evil AFTER the Nazi's used it, not before... The quilt is quite beautiful... I hope that you'll share with us the history you discover?

Karen G 12-26-2013 09:19 AM

Welcome to the board. You have a beautiful quilt to be treasured.

madamekelly 12-26-2013 09:35 AM

The brocade fabric with swastikas would have been very popular among the elite in theWorld War I era. This is just a guess, but the fabric may have been used in a quilt to show disdain for the print and the fabricators of it. At the time that this fabric would have been used in a simple (but beautiful) quilt, was probably right after Germany fell. Up to that time the fabric was probably in a formal gown for special occasions.

I just saw your comment about left and right facing swastikas and that makes me doubt my first response. Having swastikas both directions makes it an older piece of goods, since that design would be pre WWI because after WWI no one used swastikas to decorate anything due to the image used by Nazi Germany.

phyllis 81 yrs in Oregon 12-26-2013 11:08 AM

old quilt
 
I believe your quilt to be pre-WW11. The swastika had the arms turned one direction and the Iron Cross had the arms turned the other way. No, I do not know which way for which one.
The "Grandmother's Fan" quilting pattern was used forever with hand quilting. Just a pencil or piece of chalk with a string tied to it, then knotted at intervals to make the fan spaces. Hold a knot tight against the quilt top, draw a 1/4 circle, then move to the next knot, etc. til you have the fan, quilt, do some more. My Mother used this a lot for "everyday" quilts.

KalamaQuilts 12-26-2013 11:26 AM

I'd call the block Star Crossed Lovers

persistent 12-26-2013 05:29 PM

Thanks to everyone for all the comments

Grace creates 12-26-2013 06:46 PM

I found it most interesting to learn the true meaning of the swastika prior to WWII, quilting and the board can be most informative. Your quilt is interesting and stunning.

sdeaaz 12-26-2013 07:29 PM

I am so glad to hear that the swastika had other meanings. My mother gave me an old necklace with a swastika on it... I have always hid it as I didn't want anyone to know I had it...... Now I can think better thoughts of it.


Originally Posted by Kooklabell (Post 6473473)
Prior to Hitler's reign, the swastika was a symbol of wealth and goodness. Some cultures continue to use the symbol during times of festivals on their doors to invite goodness to their homes.

It is a beautiful quilt. Needs a good cleaning by appropriate methods. Sure would be wonderful to trace your family history and perhaps discover the makers life history. Treasure your beautiful gift.


Merivale 12-26-2013 07:35 PM

what a very prety quilt and specially in blue and white. Lucky you.

persistent 12-27-2013 04:05 AM

it's hard to tell in the pictures but the swastikas really don't even show up unless you get at the right angle with the light hitting them right they are shiny so the light makes them show without light they hide. though out all the years no one had even noticed the swastikas till I saw them a couple months ago by luck.

mcdaniel023 12-27-2013 04:35 AM

What a treasure. Good luck researching its history.

running1 12-27-2013 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by phyllis 81 yrs in Oregon (Post 6475215)
I believe your quilt to be pre-WW11. The swastika had the arms turned one direction and the Iron Cross had the arms turned the other way. No, I do not know which way for which one.
The "Grandmother's Fan" quilting pattern was used forever with hand quilting. Just a pencil or piece of chalk with a string tied to it, then knotted at intervals to make the fan spaces. Hold a knot tight against the quilt top, draw a 1/4 circle, then move to the next knot, etc. til you have the fan, quilt, do some more. My Mother used this a lot for "everyday" quilts.

Well, there you are! I've only had my coffee and I've learned how to quilt this pattern! I never would have thought how to do that... and I love the pattern on a quilt... Thanks Phyllis!!

Sharoni 12-27-2013 08:22 AM

Welcome Persistent.
The quilting pattern is now called Baptist Fan. I don't know much about the pattern, but it is similar to our more modern Friendship Star. It should be fun doing a little genealogy search.

Edie 12-27-2013 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by orangeroom (Post 6473308)
Where did you find it? It does look older, but then again, as discussed this morning, I've only been quilting ~10 years. What is the design on the lighter fabric? Swastikas?

I have a paper framed picture of my grandmother and there is a German Christian Cross on it. It has nothing to do with a Swastika - that was Hitler's decision, not the German Christians. I am 75, my grandmother would probably be around 125-130 now and it was taken around the time she got married. Oh by the way, she was born in Wisconsin.

It is a beautiful quilt. Edie

SewpahDewpah 12-27-2013 05:24 PM

Here is a link to a web page with contact info for someone who has made a study of swastika textiles. I haven't tried the phone number, so it may not still be in service. Good luck. http://www.quilthistory.com/98222.htm

mjhaess 12-27-2013 06:34 PM

Wow...That is awesome...Can the person that gave it to you help you ?

persistent 12-28-2013 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by mjhaess (Post 6477414)
Wow...That is awesome...Can the person that gave it to you help you ?

sorry but no they told me all the info they knew about it which wasn't much an others that may have known are gone.

IrishKaren 12-28-2013 08:09 AM

I'd seen this block before and remembered it was called Crossroads so I tracked down some more info. The full name is Crossroads to Bachelor's Hall.
The pattern was first printed in 1906 in a Clara Stone booklet made available by www.antiquepatternlibrary.org Here is the pdf link. You'll see that on the cover of the booklet is a swastika quilt. Look for quilt #31.
http://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org...ltPatterns.pdf

Recent article: http://quiltingpiecebypiece.wordpres...ewold-pattern/

Detailed article on use of swastika in quilts.
http://www.quiltersmuse.com/Swastika...he-Design.html

You'd need an expert in dating fabrics to determine more closely when it was made. I think it looks 1920s. Do you know what year you're great-grandmother was born?

maryb119 12-28-2013 08:22 AM

This is an amazing quilt. Love the pieced blocks. I have never seen a swastika print before. It would be interesting to have it dated so you know aprox how old it is.

persistent 12-28-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by IrishKaren (Post 6478172)
I'd seen this block before and remembered it was called Crossroads so I tracked down some more info. The full name is Crossroads to Bachelor's Hall.
The pattern was first printed in 1906 in a Clara Stone booklet made available by www.antiquepatternlibrary.org Here is the pdf link. You'll see that on the cover of the booklet is a swastika quilt. Look for quilt #31.
http://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org...ltPatterns.pdf

Recent article: http://quiltingpiecebypiece.wordpres...ewold-pattern/

Detailed article on use of swastika in quilts.
http://www.quiltersmuse.com/Swastika...he-Design.html

You'd need an expert in dating fabrics to determine more closely when it was made. I think it looks 1920s. Do you know what year you're great-grandmother was born?

Thanks Irish now i have a pattern name

Gannyrosie 12-28-2013 04:45 PM

It will be beautiful when cleaned and seems you've inherited a wonderful memory.

thimblebug6000 12-29-2013 09:02 AM

Interesting article, will check back.

tlundy 12-31-2013 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Auntie M (Post 6473390)
Your great grandmother's story would be interesting. Swastikas did not always have the negative connotation that they presently have, so the story behind the quilt could go many directions. I like the blue and white color combination and also thought it looked like snowflakes. What a treasure.

Puts me in mind of this quilt
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...ilt-blue-white

persistent 01-01-2014 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by tlundy (Post 6484454)

interesting would love to see a pic of that quilt.all the swastika quilts I have found have large easily seen swastikas which mine does not. from my posted picture you can zoom in as close as you want but you see no swastikas it takes light at the right angle to see them. would love to find how the swastika fabric was used other than to make this quilt. predating Hitler I don't understand why the lucky swastikas are hidden. A quilt appraiser said from the picture it looks to be from 1880-1900 I will update when I get more info. thanks to all and happy new year

persistent 01-01-2014 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by SheriR (Post 6473320)
It's amazing and I bet valuable. I'd like to hear more about your grandmother.

found out the great grandmother was born in 1863 but haven't figured out where she was born yet. I'm still trying

sahm4605 01-01-2014 02:54 PM

What an amazing quilt, no matter what the fabric has on it. I would say treasure it and keep it safe. If you look at most artdeco building in cities that were built before WWII then you will see the swastika or broken cross. In the KC area there are at least 4 that I know about. Probably more that I don't. If you store the quilt you should type up a paper on the meaning and history that you can find on the quilt. This way those in the future will know the history and might not have a knee jerk reaction to destroy it.

JoanneS 01-12-2014 10:31 AM

Not the Nazi swastika, which has the arms turning in the other direction. It's an old design that predates Nazi swastikas.

persistent 01-24-2014 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by JoanneS (Post 6508691)
Not the Nazi swastika, which has the arms turning in the other direction. It's an old design that predates Nazi swastikas.

Thanks JoanneS as you can see in the pictures my quilt has left and right facing the Nazi swastikas are right facing at a 45 degree angle. And yes this quilt predates the Nazi version of swastika. I in no way believe this quilt is related to hate. It is a shame that the instant people see swastikas (myself included until I received this quilt) they associate them with the hatred that the misguided dictator linked to the image.

DACO48 01-24-2014 09:21 PM

Some Native American Indian tribes also painted the "Swastica" sign on their horses and tee-pees and that was long before Hitlers rise to power.

persistent 01-27-2014 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by DACO48 (Post 6533141)
Some Native American Indian tribes also painted the "Swastica" sign on their horses and tee-pees and that was long before Hitlers rise to power.

yes your right I have read that and here is some info about it being a symbol for good luck an/or wealth as seen here in Wikipedia

The word swastika came from the Sanskrit word svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote auspiciousness, or any piece of luck or well-being.
It is composed of su- meaning "good, well" and asti "to be". Suasti thus means "well-being." The suffix -ka, meaning "soul", suastika might thus be translated literally as "that which is associated with well-being," corresponding to "lucky charm" or "thing that is auspicious.


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