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dmackey 01-08-2011 04:58 PM

What is your favorite method for a square in a square block?

I am making a quilt for my nephew and I purchased 12 embroidered blocks of the Boston Bruin's logo, which will be the center square set on point, in a sawtooth star block, and then I need the triangles which completes the square to measure at 5" finished, and then I will add the star points to make the block 10.5" unfinished.

In other words....I am making a 10" sawtooth star, with a center square in square.

Before I start cutting, I want to be sure I am doing this right.

Take the centered logo and cut it to 5.5 inches unfinished.

Cut four squares at 3" unfinished and draw a diagonal line edge to edge.

Align the squares to each corner of the logo patch, sew on the diagonal line, from center to opposite edge to make the triangle patch, cut away excess, press out.

This needs to result in a 5.5" unfinished square.

Are my measurements correct?

Thanks in advance!

Diane

B. Louise 01-08-2011 05:36 PM

I don't have any advice, but your avatar is sure a cutie!

mom-6 01-08-2011 05:40 PM

Just to be sure, I would make a sample out of scrap fabric...

susiequilt 01-08-2011 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by mom-6
Just to be sure, I would make a sample out of scrap fabric...

excellent idea!

Farm Quilter 01-08-2011 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by AnitaGrossmanSolomon
I believe, if I understand your intentions, this is the formula to follow:

5.5" unfinished = 5" finished.
Divide 5" by 2 which = 2.5"
Add 1/2" to each of four 2.5" squares = cut four 3" squares.

I thought you had to add 7/8". I would use Anita's paper method first. I use the Square in a Square ruler so I don't have to do the math!

AnitaGrossmanSolomon 01-08-2011 06:25 PM


I thought you had to add 7/8". I would use Anita's paper method first. I use the Square in a Square ruler so I don't have to do the math!
You are right about 7/8" - when you cut a square on the diagonal into two triangles. But I believe she is using the method of sewing squares to a square and lopping off the excess. It's a good way if you want to keep things extra stable.

Anita

Jan in VA 01-08-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmackey
....Take the centered logo and cut it to 5.5 inches unfinished.

Cut four squares at 3" unfinished and draw a diagonal line edge to edge.

Align the squares to each corner of the logo patch, sew on the diagonal line, from center to opposite edge to make the triangle patch, cut away excess, press out.

Diane

This is one of my favorite blocks.
Your measurements are correct.

BUT....in your last sentence "cut away excess".....instead, allow yourself to cut out ONLY the middle layer rather than the back also. As you have already squared your logo block, leaving the corners of it after sewing the smaller squares to it will allow you to keep the block true to size.

Because you will sew the small squares on the diagonal, and will press them back, you will find they likely do not fit exactly -- either are slightly under or over meeting the exact corner -- but not to worry about it because the discrepancy will be caught in the seam allowance when the block sections are all sewn together.

AND, if you will cut those smaller squares slightly larger than 3"....say, 3 and 1/8", you will find you won't lose the points of the square in a square into the seam allowance. That center will slightly "float", which will give the block better visual contrast in the overall view.

Jan in VA

AnitaGrossmanSolomon 01-08-2011 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by AnitaGrossmanSolomon
I believe they are not.

Jeepers, I should have written that I believe they are. I broke my rule to not post when I am overtired.

Anita

dmackey 01-08-2011 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by AnitaGrossmanSolomon
You asked "What is your favorite method?" My favorite is one of my own device. From this page on my blog, [url=http://makeitsimpler.blogspot.com/search/label/Tutorial
http://makeitsimpler.blogspot.com/search/label/Tutorial[/url]
click on: 'VIDEO Super Fast Rotary Cutting: Square on Point'

This wastes no fabric, and keeps an 'upright' upright.

Anita Grossman Solomon


Anita, may I first say it is a priviledge to chat with you here on the board. I have seen this video in the past but could never find it on a search, so thank you so much for providing the link! I have always wanted to use my scraps to make the quilt you show on the video. I love that it snips off the dog ears.

You were using an 8" square. Does it finish at 7.5" using your method? If so, I am going to assume I should be using all 5.5" squares unfinished to make my 5" finished block.

Thanks so much for the great info!

Diane

dmackey 01-08-2011 10:21 PM

[quote=Jan in VA

BUT....in your last sentence "cut away excess".....instead, allow yourself to cut out ONLY the middle layer rather than the back also. As you have already squared your logo block, leaving the corners of it after sewing the smaller squares to it will allow you to keep the block true to size.

Because you will sew the small squares on the diagonal, and will press them back, you will find they likely do not fit exactly -- either are slightly under or over meeting the exact corner -- but not to worry about it because the discrepancy will be caught in the seam allowance when the block sections are all sewn together.

AND, if you will cut those smaller squares slightly larger than 3"....say, 3 and 1/8", you will find you won't lose the points of the square in a square into the seam allowance. That center will slightly "float", which will give the block better visual contrast in the overall view.

Jan in VA[/quote]

What a great tip! I never would have thought to add the 1/8".

I can't wait to try this method along with the way Anita does her cutting. The logo is embroidered so it raises the fabric up a bit and I'm concerned about the square being exact, so one of these methods will certanly work for me.

Thanks so much Jan!

Diane

Scissor Queen 01-08-2011 10:48 PM

The "cut away the excess" method wastes a whole lot of fabric. I make square in a square blocks that start with a 5 inch center square and I cut two 4 inch squares on the diagonal for the corners. I'd try it with the 5.5 and two 4.5 inch squares and see if it comes out the size you want. I crease the center square in the center and the corners in the center and match the creases.

gale 01-08-2011 11:31 PM

I use the squares method. I know it wastes fabric but I can guarantee I'd waste a heck of a lot more fabric trying to do it with triangles and ending up messing up a bunch of blocks. I did watch the video mentioned above a while back and would like to try that method sometime. Is that video on youtube? That type of video never plays well for me (I can't seem to pause and let it load and even if I let it play through and try to watch again, it just stalls again).

dmackey 01-09-2011 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by B. Louise
I don't have any advice, but your avatar is sure a cutie!

Thank you B. Louise!

This is a pix of my first grandchild at 3 months old, and I just love the amused look on her face! It just tells me she is going to be a prankster like her daddy.

Just got some new pix and one is a grand prize winner for sure! Have to get them scanned elsewhere so I can have digital formats to post.

Diane

Diane

dmackey 01-09-2011 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by Scissor Queen
The "cut away the excess" method wastes a whole lot of fabric. I make square in a square blocks that start with a 5 inch center square and I cut two 4 inch squares on the diagonal for the corners. I'd try it with the 5.5 and two 4.5 inch squares and see if it comes out the size you want. I crease the center square in the center and the corners in the center and match the creases.

You will think I am crazy, but I immediately sew that cut away fabric on the diagonal line that was cut, and throw them in a bucket. I have tons of them. Some day I will press them open and square them up and make a doll quilt.....someday being the key word there! I have already used some of them to make tiny pinwheels for a jacket trim. Very small projects are a good thing, they are tough to work with!

I don't have much in the way of scraps because it all gets used. One friend loves to take my salvedges, another treasure hunts for her applique, my strips all get cut into 1.5 inches and are saved for a scrappy log cabin, small squares are kept for button covers, and what is too skiny to use is put in a basket , along with loose threads, and put out each spring for the birds to use for making their nests.

BTW, I just realized that I won't be wasting any fabric if I use Anita's method. The unused center square of the triangle corner fabric is the same as I will be using for my cornerstones in the sashing, which is 2.5" unfinished, so no waste there at all!

Diane

plainpat 01-09-2011 03:28 AM

I saw the video & need a bit more info. What size squares did you use to start?There were marks on the mat?Guess I need to find the book that shows this method.


Originally Posted by AnitaGrossmanSolomon
>>Before I start cutting, I want to be sure I am doing this right.
Take the centered logo and cut it to 5.5 inches unfinished. Cut four squares at 3" unfinished and draw a diagonal line edge to edge....This needs to result in a 5.5" unfinished square.
Are my measurements correct?
_______

Dear Diane,'
I believe they are not. I believe, if I understand your intentions, this is the formula to follow:

5.5" unfinished = 5" finished.
Divide 5" by 2 which = 2.5"
Add 1/2" to each of four 2.5" squares = cut four 3" squares.

Test this for yourself. I usually test using paper squares, not fabric squares. You could sew a photocopy of your Bruins fabric to test position. I expect you chose this method to keep the directional Bruins fabric 'upright'.

You asked "What is your favorite method?" My favorite is one of my own device. From this page on my blog, http://makeitsimpler.blogspot.com/search/label/Tutorial
click on: 'VIDEO Super Fast Rotary Cutting: Square on Point'

This wastes no fabric, and keeps an 'upright' upright.

Anita Grossman Solomon


dmackey 01-09-2011 12:06 PM

Pat,

In the video, Anita used 8" squares, but you can use any size. What is important is that all squares that you will be cutting are the same size.

If you watch the video again, you will see where the lines on the mat come from and how to do it based on the size squares you are going to be cutting.

Diane

plainpat 01-09-2011 02:23 PM

Would like to get the book showing how to cut squares to make the sq in a sq block...as shown on the H&G video.What book has it? Thanks for any info.

gale 01-09-2011 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by AnitaGrossmanSolomon
I was disappointed to discover today that HGTV removed the extensive online printable directions that accompanied Simply Quilts episode #1129, Make It Simpler Rotary Cutting. I'm sorry to have left people floundering.

You should know that one square of fabric will yield one quilt block. The benefit is in knowing that if you want to make a quilt of 36 Square on Point blocks, you'd need 36 assorted fabric squares. A quilt of 100 blocks calls for 100 assorted fabric squares.

The fabric squares must be cut to the same size. Whatever size you choose, you must create a cutting pattern specific to that size. For example, 6 inch fabric squares require you to begin by drawing a 6 inch square on graph paper. A finished block will always measure 1-1/4 inches smaller than the fabric square.

The good news is that I amplified and improved my technique with a cutting pattern/top piecing pattern in the book "Rotary Cutting Revolution." I devoted 8 out of 128 pages to it with over 30 photographs. Perhaps you can locate a copy through your local library. The 'new' way means not having to mark your rotary mat nor cutting fabric squares to the exact size to start. You do need a 'straight edge' to cut but you don't need to read the lines on a ruler.

I confess to having many quilting notions and tools, but I write for the person who may have only one ordinary ruler, mat and cutter and is averse to wasting fabric.

Anita
http://makeitsimpler.blogspot.com

Thanks for the info-I am going to find that book and buy it.

plainpat 01-09-2011 02:44 PM

Thank you. I admire your work & clear explanations.I'll also be looking for the book.Even tho I don't need more, now & then one comes along that is worth buying.Thanks again...Pat


Originally Posted by AnitaGrossmanSolomon
I was disappointed to discover today that HGTV removed the extensive online printable directions that accompanied Simply Quilts episode #1129, Make It Simpler Rotary Cutting. I'm sorry to have left people floundering.

You should know that one square of fabric will yield one quilt block. The benefit is in knowing that if you want to make a quilt of 36 Square on Point blocks, you'd need 36 assorted fabric squares. A quilt of 100 blocks calls for 100 assorted fabric squares.

The fabric squares must be cut to the same size. Whatever size you choose, you must create a cutting pattern specific to that size. For example, 6 inch fabric squares require you to begin by drawing a 6 inch square on graph paper. A finished block will always measure 1-1/4 inches smaller than the fabric square.

The good news is that I amplified and improved my technique with a cutting pattern/top piecing pattern in the book "Rotary Cutting Revolution." I devoted 8 out of 128 pages to it with over 30 photographs. Perhaps you can locate a copy through your local library. The 'new' way means not having to mark your rotary mat nor cutting fabric squares to the exact size to start. You do need a 'straight edge' to cut but you don't need to read the lines on a ruler.

I confess to having many quilting notions and tools, but I write for the person who may have only one ordinary ruler, mat and cutter and is averse to wasting fabric.

Anita
http://makeitsimpler.blogspot.com


dmackey 01-11-2011 12:56 PM

I just ordered "Rotary Cutting Revolution" from Amazon. So many 5 star reviews and only one 4 star, who loved it too. Can't wait to get it!

Anita, I think yiou are an absolute genius! I'm not going to cut my square in a square blocks until I get the book.

I do have one question though. In your last post, you said the finished block is 1 1/4 inches smaller than the block you start with.

If I want a finished 5" square, then starting with 6 1/4", I lose 1" when the internal square is sewn (1/4 on triangle, 1/4 on square times 2 sides = 1"}. Then when I sew the completed block into a quilt, I will then lose 1/2", being the 1/4 inch seam from each side. Wouldn't that leave me with a finished 4 3/4" square?

Diane

c joyce 01-11-2011 01:13 PM

I use Jodi Barrows's Square in a Square method and ruler.
http://www.squareinasquare.com/

davidwent 01-11-2011 01:28 PM

DIANE!!!
I'm soooooo jealous!! where'd you get the Bruins logos?? I hope you sow me pics wen your done!
David

dunster 01-11-2011 01:52 PM

I sometimes paper piece these blocks, since I find it hard to get the corners on just right.

dolores 01-11-2011 02:54 PM

Anita . I saw your video on the square in a square and thank you for that. I tried that and it really worked. Thank you so much from an inspired quilter.

dmackey 01-11-2011 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by c joyce
I use Jodi Barrows's Square in a Square method and ruler.
http://www.squareinasquare.com/

I went to that site and to squarequilting and didn't find the method she uses. Her videos won't play on my computer and they are too tiny.

Diane

dmackey 01-11-2011 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by davidwent
DIANE!!!
I'm soooooo jealous!! where'd you get the Bruins logos?? I hope you sow me pics wen your done!
David

David,

I found them on Ebay. I purchased 12 blocks for just under $50, about a year ago. They are the embroidered logo on white background. The vendor has a license for the NHL, NFL, MBL, NBL, etc.

Do a search on ebay for Football quilt blocks and it should come up.

Actually, here is the link:

http://stores.ebay.com/VERY-BEST-DRE...=p4634.c0.m322

Choose from the menu on the left.

Diane

plainpat 01-12-2011 02:41 PM

Love your "But I can't explain 'whys' of the 1-1/4" without hurting my head" :-)
-Anita

gale 01-12-2011 02:44 PM

I ordered the book today. DD wanted something from barnes & noble so I figure I might as well get this book too to get free shipping. :mrgreen: Can't wait to get it-I have too much fabric and too little room so I need to get sewing.

dmackey 02-01-2011 01:54 PM

The quilt top is almost done, just need to add borders!

See the picture here.
http://www.quiltingboard.com/t-95707-1.htm#2412208

Jan in VA, I used your method for the larger square in a square and loved it. My points are floating! I also really liked just cutting out the middle piece of fabric. When I made the inner blocks for the stars, the squares were too big and I would have been sewing through the embroidery, so I had to cut them back, which is why there are no points.

Anita, I didn't use your method because the blocks were too large and I didn't have paper in the house to make a diagram that was big enough, but I have used it to cut a ton of scraps and have a great quilt border in the makings for one of my patriotic quilts and the blocks look awesome because they are so perfect! I found some graph paper on a roll that can handle larger blocks for the future. I just love how easy it is cut the blocks.

Diane


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