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Ps 150 12-12-2011 06:55 AM

Why Do The Threads In My Quilts Keep Breaking?
 
About a year after I had finished a super large bargello quilt, I noticed that some of the quilting had come loose. No big deal, I would just fix it. Then, I noticed last night that my newest quilt, just finished this past summer had the same problem. The bargello was quilted with cotton variegated thread from Coats & Clark and the newer quilt was quilted with 40w embroidery thread from Coats & Clark and that quilt hasn't even been washed yet.

I've had this problem before with Sulky threads but never C&C. I've tried the break test with both threads and they held up, trust me. My finger's still sore. Just not sure what's going on. I'd blame the washer but the newer one hasn't been washed yet and hardly even used. I just put it on my bed recently. Any ideas what's causing the breakage?

QuiltE 12-12-2011 07:03 AM

First of all, to clarify .... are you meaning the actual "quilting", or the stitches in the piecing? I'm thinking the actual quilting.

Just a thought ...... Is it breaking? or is it coming loose, where the start/end of the thread has not been secured?
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Scissor Queen 12-12-2011 07:13 AM

It's probably the quality of the thread. I don't think C&C is extra long staple Egyptian cotton. The long staple is the key. Long staple means that the individual fibers are longer. Egyptian cotton is a type of cotton, not where it's grown.

If you do the math you'll find Aurifil is as cheap to use as C&C and it's finer, has less lint and doesn't have the slubs like C&C does.

GRANNYMO 12-12-2011 07:44 AM

Not sure I understand the problem. Is the thread in the seams actually breaking, or it it coming apart at the start or end of quilting seam.

Lori S 12-12-2011 07:48 AM

I typically do not use emboidery thread for the quilting, most types are not a strong as a cotton or poly thread. Look at the fiber content of the emboidery thread. Most rayon thread have great sheen , but lacks strenght. Embroidery thread is intended to be decorative, and most brands will not hold up to the stress on the quilting.
A factor in the breakage can also be how far apart you are quilting. If you quilt a good distance apart , when you are using the quilt and tug on it to repostion the quilt , grabbing the top , you can put alot of stress on that single stitch( quilting) line. Quilting closer together , can distribute that stress over more threads.
I would stress test my threads by pulling from each end before quilting , to ensure the thread can stand up to the use in the quilt.
Another factor is the needle size you are using. If the needle is small , there could be some shreading ( not quite enough to break while quilting) but enough to shorten the life of the thread in the quilt.

AshleyR 12-12-2011 07:52 AM

Just a guess, but I'd say the thread is too tight

QuiltingCrazie 12-12-2011 08:02 AM

I use C&C hand quilting thread in all my hand quilted quilts. Few are over 8 years old no issues. I hope you find the problem! if so I'd love to know just for info. Thanks and so sorry I know how much work goes into hand quilting...slow process but the end result is priceless!

QuiltE 12-12-2011 08:21 AM

Another question .... is this hand quilting? or machine quilting?

Candace 12-12-2011 08:33 AM

C & C doesn't have a good reputation for quality thread.

nativetexan 12-12-2011 09:21 AM

do you sit on your quilt while it's on the bed? that too can put pressure on stitches. take your thread from the spool and try to break it with your hands by pulling. if it breaks, don 't use it. good luck.

Bobbielinks 12-12-2011 09:30 AM

My opinion would be its the cotton thread. Most cotton thread is not strong enough by itsself to withstand the stress put on it. Make sure the starts and stops are well secure, and you might want to change to a cotton wrapped poly thread, which gives the look of cotton with the strength of poly.

DogHouseMom 12-12-2011 02:11 PM

I agree with Lori S. My first thought was if your needle size (eye size) was just a bit too small for the thread, the eye could have caused 'chaffing' of the thread which weakened it - especially if the thread was not a long staple thread (which I don't believe C&C is).

And again agree with Lori ... could be the length of the stitch if thread was pulled too tight while quilting. We're these quilts FMQ'd or quilted with a walking foot? The tension could also have been a little too tight.

Combination of all of the above - tension, wrong needle size, and stitched too taut.

If I were you, I would start by A) switching to a different thread, either a long staple cotton or a cotton wrapped poly. B) making sure you have the right needle size for the thread you are using and the task you are performing. You can find some GREAT info online about threads and needles - and their correlation to each other, often on the manufacturers web site. Check out superiorthreads.com for lots and lots of "threaducation" including needles. And while you're there - check out the thread they sell too - awesome stuff.

Ps 150 12-12-2011 04:56 PM

Sorry, I should've clarified:

It's the actual quilting that's breaking, not coming loose.
I quilted pretty close stippling on the newer quilt and on the older one it was no more than 2" apart.
They're both machine quilted.

thimblebug6000 12-12-2011 05:11 PM

Hmmm.... I use whatever thread I have at hand for machine quilting so can't clarify what brand... I have only one quilt that the stitches have broken a little on, and it's usually near the beginning or ending or a row of stitching. It is a quilt that we use as a picnic quilt & pull over us when it's cool etc.

Ps 150 01-07-2012 07:26 AM

I think I solved the mystery!! While lying in bed this morning, my youngest DD's cat jumped up on the bed. He's only 7 months old so we haven't declawed him yet. The vet was hesitant. Anyways, he jumped on the bed, twirled, lied down and then began kneading his claws and I could hear him scratch the fabric in my half awake grogginess!! So, I scooted him off the bed and sure enough, there's a little tear in the thread there, just like the other ones! Eeeeeekkkkkkk!

WilliP 01-07-2012 07:39 AM

Good to hear the mystery is solved. My household has a cat who loves to knead --he is almost 14 yrs. So I have him now trained to just lie on a quilt, but to use a piece of fleece to knead. Happy Cat and Happy Quilter.


Originally Posted by Ps 150 (Post 4851015)
I think I solved the mystery!! While lying in bed this morning, my youngest DD's cat jumped up on the bed. He's only 7 months old so we haven't declawed him yet. The vet was hesitant. Anyways, he jumped on the bed, twirled, lied down and then began kneading his claws and I could hear him scratch the fabric in my half awake grogginess!! So, I scooted him off the bed and sure enough, there's a little tear in the thread there, just like the other ones! Eeeeeekkkkkkk!


Tartan 01-07-2012 07:45 AM

Bargellos are tricky to keep the beginning and ending stitches connected after the re-cutting. I use a smaller stitch length if I am going to re-cut units and I handle them carefully. Is the thread coming undone in the other one a Bargello too or just regular piecing? If it's regular piecing, I would try backstitching to begin and end your seams. I always do that if the blocks or sash is on the outside of my quilt. If it is the thread that is breaking rather than coming undone I would switch threads.
Congratulations!I see the mystery has been solved so just ignore my advice.

Ps 150 01-07-2012 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Tartan (Post 4851077)
Bargellos are tricky to keep the beginning and ending stitches connected after the re-cutting. I use a smaller stitch length if I am going to re-cut units and I handle them carefully. Is the thread coming undone in the other one a Bargello too or just regular piecing? If it's regular piecing, I would try backstitching to begin and end your seams. I always do that if the blocks or sash is on the outside of my quilt. If it is the thread that is breaking rather than coming undone I would switch threads.
Congratulations!I see the mystery has been solved so just ignore my advice.

Sorry, I guess I didn't clarify. It's the actual quilting that was breaking, not the piecing. But, I think I've found the culprit. My DD's kitten was caught kneading my bed quilt early this morning and it snapped a few of the threads. So, he's locked out of the bedrooms at the moment and an appointment is being made for him to lose his claws in a few weeks.

Taino Jan 01-07-2012 11:38 AM

Dear PS150, the cat did it. Your best friend, Fido

Scissor Queen 01-07-2012 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Ps 150 (Post 4851693)
Sorry, I guess I didn't clarify. It's the actual quilting that was breaking, not the piecing. But, I think I've found the culprit. My DD's kitten was caught kneading my bed quilt early this morning and it snapped a few of the threads. So, he's locked out of the bedrooms at the moment and an appointment is being made for him to lose his claws in a few weeks.

Just so you know, when they declaw a cat they cut off the whole last joint of their "finger."

Ps 150 01-07-2012 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Taino Jan (Post 4851790)
Dear PS150, the cat did it. Your best friend, Fido

LOL!! Right about now, the dog would blow the whistle on the cat. He keeps teasing the pup. We're crate training and I heard some whining so I went to check on our pup and the cat was lying on top of the kennel. Oh joy, lol.

Ps 150 01-07-2012 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Scissor Queen (Post 4851811)
Just so you know, when they declaw a cat they cut off the whole last joint of their "finger."

I know, and I hate to do it, but it was already decided upon before this. We've never declawed before and normally the thought of it makes me shudder. Our oldest cat is a rescue pet and she came to us already declawed but we've never actually wanted to do it. Our youngest DD has a medical condition that affects her hands. When she has a flare-up of her syndrome, she absolutely cannot have any punctures to the skin on her hands or fingers. DH made the decision to declaw after the cat was playing beside our DD, reached up and clawed her hand and later her face. I don't know if he was batting at her hair or anything else but DH made that call and I have to respect him on this. I've always been a firm believer that if there's a disagreement between husband and wife, then the husband's decision supersedes the wife's...I spent the first 8 years of my life living with my grandparents and really find a lot of my beliefs rooted in their "Great Depression Way Of Life," and my own biblical views. The cat belongs to our youngest, the one with the medical condition, and DH won't get rid of him, especially since in all other regards, he's the sweetest cat. But, he's still a kitten and very playful.

sewbeadit 01-07-2012 04:12 PM

If people put their knees into the quilt when they sit down, like a lot of children do, that can cause problems with the thread. I have always heard that CC is supposed to be good thread and have found it much better than a lot I have used.

cathyvv 01-07-2012 07:36 PM

One of the owners of 'my' lqs told me not to use embroidery thread for quilting as it breaks easily.

Ps 150 01-08-2012 08:05 AM

Well, I don't know if this is traditional embroidery thread. It's just shiny like that, but it's a 40 weight instead of a 50 weight so it's stronger. I just refer to it as embroidery thread because that's what it looks like. I tried the finger test on it though and it didn't break so that's why I used it.


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