with our economy tanking by the day-it is getting harder and harder to make money with quilting..you should see the looks i get when i explain my costs..many people here are so used to buying cheap goods from china that they are truly astonished when they find out the real costs of making american goods with american cotton etc...and i don't use a longarm. i use a midarm without the frame. i have a sign posted that says i will negotiate prices or make trades. when the financial world crashes to the bottom i guess i could charge 10lbs sugar and 10lbs flour for a full size quilt.