I have tried several hoop types 1. square pvc frame about 13", 2. large round heavy hoop. Both caused me much discomfort when I tried handquilting a queen sized. My solution is a pvc frame that is about 2'x3'. It is small enough that I can just place it in front of my chair in the living room with hubby. This seems to work very well for me. I love hand quilting.