Like I said, I haven't figured the ins and out of this yet, didn't mean to come in on Karolyn's thread. :oops: Sorry Karolyn. I guess I am like you, Vicki, I have quilted a long time, and enjoy it, but I don't feel I am very good. I know all of the things we should do, and how to do it, etc, My hands just seem to have a mind of their own sometimes, but I like to do a lot of different things, and learn new ways, and enjoy it all. I like to do wall hangings and wearable art type things, that way I can see it finished before it becomes a ufo. I had thought of a 9 patch for my neighbor. Basically to her, a quilt should be squares, also, whether she does it by hand or on the machine, it should be easiest for her. We will worry about pictures when I figure this thing out, but one day... I will also try to send my neighbors project. Karolyn, I notice the chat line was going on while typing this, have you tried that yet?