I started with a Juki on a small Hinterberg frame just to see if I really liked quilting on a frame. Well about 2 years later I upgraded to a Voyager on a stretch frame. Used it for 5 years and am now using the Nolting 20" on my stretch frame and saving for the metal frame. I love love my Nolting more than any of the others!!!!! I will probably not upgrade anymore except for teh frame:)