K~I'm surprised YOU don't do lace tatting...I started learning how to crochet and the whole reason I want to learn is to make the doilies like my granny and great granny used to have and make...they both tried to teach me when I was little and of course, I wanted nothing to do with it at that time...have moved on to a thinner and lighter yarn since I started but not yet ready for the really thin or the lace type....