OK, I gave in & bought the bobbin winder from Hancock's. I really do like it. I can sit & refill them while my machine is embroidering something. I keep one box for machine embroider & one for regular sewing. Luckily I can buy Brother bobbins at Wally World for $3.00 for 8 so I try to buy some every time I have a little extra money. The winder does wind smooth & seems to fill up the bobbin better than my machine does. It can be a temperamental little heifer sometimes. So I guess just try & buy extra bobbins.