I was really impressed with the woman when I spoke with her on the phone a few weeks ago. She was really nice and invited me to come look at them and see how they're made, etc. I might take my husband with me to go check it out. Part of me wants to get it with the frame and just set up the frame when I need to quilt large things and get the table top for the extra $100 for the rest of the time when I'm doing smaller things. She said that I could use the handle bar machine on a table but the handles would just have to stay on the machine while it's on the table which is a small sacrifice for flexibility.