I up graded to a Nolting after a very unpleasant experince with with both the Tin Lizzie machine and the Tin Lizzie Company. The Nolting on a good metal frame is as good as it gets for me. I tried them all out on the second go round and it came down to the Nolting and the Innovia. I decided on the Nolting because there was a pretty good difference in price and not much difference in anything else in the comparison of the 2 machines. I am a very satisfied customer.