I ordered some sewing machine needles from Av*****h Su*****s from EBAY. They called and said they didn't have the size I ordered. Would I want some size 16s? It was a good price so I said yes. One needle shaft was deformed and would not go in the machine. I tried several different machines. Some of the needles shred the thread, some skip stitches and some broke thread. I can't return the needles because they only had a 5 or 10 day return policy. Beware of cheap needles - they may have bad quality control.