I would do a comparison on the Janome website if you don't get very many responses but I think you will get a response to your question. I live in Canada and just bought a brand new 11000se for $2900 canadian. Janome Canada was clearing their stock of the 11000 all across the country and had this sale at the beginning of summer. For me I couldn't justify buying the 12000. I would check to see if they have a discounted price on the internet and try to get a better price for the 11000se if you go this route, although be aware if you order it on line your local sewing centre may not want to do any warranty on it if you didn't buy through them.