Thanks for suggestions. PatriceJ, every Janome dealer I've seen online, ebay and amazon all list the mc11000 for 4999$ new. I can get it used 1500$ cheaper but hubby said if I was paying that much for the same machine prob better to just get it new. Since the 12000 is a newer model I thought it might be greatly improved and be worth the sacrifice of buying new to go with it. I'm just confused as to which way to go.