Thanks for the suggestions. I live on a rather isolated ranch and am handicapped so don't get out much. I just seem to have a mental block. Read everything I could today, did find I had some books in my library on such and tried again. Not real happy with results but will start over tomorrow. I really would like to do it. I think maybe it would help if I traced the patterns on thinner paper. My paper won't run the thin stuff through. I ordered the cd from Connecting Threads and it should be here soon. Hope it works on a Mac. Haven't given up yet. Don't let it be my age - Ha!