I just traded my 830 for a 790plus. I bought the 830 used and only paid $3000 for it. It included the big hoop and lots of extras. I hated the way it threaded and the bobbin loading. They gave me a $4000 trade in value and all I had to turn in was the machine and the embroidery unit. My dealer wanted the Bsr and since you get a new one it did not matter to me. I got to keep all the hoops, feet and other accessories which does work on the new machine. I really did not wan tto spend the money, but I felt if the machine had issues I would have to buy another machine at full price. I went with the deal. They had a special for accessories that was in cluded so that was $2800+ in extra accessories. My dealer showed me all about the new machine and it was so fantastic. Such an improvement in my old 200 and the 830. They fixed the threading issue and the bobbin issues. I should have it next week and I cannot wait. I was just glad I had the money to make the trade. They did offer financing interest free with payments of $151.00 per month. The 830's were 10 to 12 years ago so it all seemed a positive trade for me. I had not had any issues with the 830 and had no idea if the old owner had issues.