I am so glad to hear that some of you deal with a "good understanding" as my grandma used to say. I wear a 12 1/2 which I can't find, so wear a 13 ladies (if I can find them) or a 11-12 mens. the SAS I wear are really ugly and look huge, but at least I can walk. I am hoping that someday soon the manufacturers of women's shoes will realize that there are those of us out here who need a 13 and will make comfortable, stylish shoes in our size.