Peggy
I have both, I purchased them from one of these sites, but I do not remember which one for sure. ConnectingThreads.com, KeepsakeQuilting.com or Clotilde.com. I have used the Retayne, and it seems to work, to keep fabric from bleeding in the wash, when I prewashed my fabric. However, I do not know if it works after the fabric is quilted or not. Check these sites out and if you can't find them at these sites, pm me and I will try and find the invoices and let you know. Gerbie