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    I have all my info on thumb drives. Too many HD failures and too much lost info. We keep as little data on the main HD as possible.

    As for the J-A numbers, I check that chart every so often and print it out. It's fun to know who actually made your machine.

    I just wish I could find out more about the HOTHER machines. All I know is JUKI made mine.

    Joe

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    Awesome pics everyone, thanks so much for sharing. I am still a bit confused how to ID clones...please correct me if I am wrong, its my understanding Clones are sometimes made by secondary companies to sell that lesser prices. I knew nothing about clones until picked up this Geringer and when I chatted w/ Sew Classic and a couple others that's when I learned its probably a National, which I had never heard of. Yes still very green and learning all I can.
    Second pic is why I haven't found a hand crank for her yet, she has a spook wheel but the column is rounded and a Singer Hand Crank won't work...so she sits looking pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craftiladi View Post
    Awesome pics everyone, thanks so much for sharing. I am still a bit confused how to ID clones...please correct me if I am wrong, its my understanding Clones are sometimes made by secondary companies to sell that lesser prices. I knew nothing about clones until picked up this Geringer and when I chatted w/ Sew Classic and a couple others that's when I learned its probably a National, which I had never heard of. Yes still very green and learning all I can.
    Second pic is why I haven't found a hand crank for her yet, she has a spook wheel but the column is rounded and a Singer Hand Crank won't work...so she sits looking pretty.
    This machine is not a clone
    link to info about clones http://www.quiltingboard.com/picture...p-t164361.html

    sew-classic has a lot of info about clones, too http://blog.sew-classic.com/2008/10/...ne-review.aspx
    Last edited by miriam; 12-03-2012 at 05:24 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    This machine is not a clone
    link to info about clones http://www.quiltingboard.com/picture...p-t164361.html

    sew-classic has a lot of info about clones, too http://blog.sew-classic.com/2008/10/...ne-review.aspx
    sorry just going by what I was told by several people-thank-you Miriam.
    Dee Lowe
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    The Edison decal looks crooked.

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    You are right about the Geringer being a badged machine probably made by National - but it was made in the US. The Japanese 15 clones are a certain type of badged machine - they all have the tension on the left compared to the front. They are not as old as the Geringer. I have a Minnesota - probably the same deal - a badged machine - cute little bugger though. There are other machines made in Japan that were badged - they aren't 15 clones though. I have some that are wonderful machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplefiend View Post
    The Edison decal looks crooked.
    It is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    As for the J-A numbers, I check that chart every so often and print it out. It's fun to know who actually made your machine.
    What chart? Where? I have been compiling my own JA chart on Excel. But it would be nice to have one that has already been compiled.
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    Caroline,

    It's in the vintagejapansewingmachines yahoo group. Over on the left side under database I think. But you got to be a member.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    Caroline,

    It's in the vintagejapansewingmachines yahoo group. Over on the left side under database I think. But you got to be a member.

    Joe
    Thanks Joe. Off to yahoo I go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Miriam,

    Probably not. Many if not all Japanese machines have a J-A + number in the casting. This number Ids the manufacturer. As an example Happy used JA 10. Janome when they made New Homes used JA 2 & JA 30. Maruzen made Kenmores and used JA 4. The list is being compiled by on a Yahoo group by Bill Holman as information becomes available, but it isn't complete yet (maybe never will). The manufacturer of the JA 54 hasn't been identified yet.

    Cathy (probably too much information again)
    Cathy we are so fortunate to have you here! This is great information! I no longer have any Japanese 15 clones, but I have 3 Japanese made machines including my "Rodney" machine. I am going to check out the underside of my machines to see if I can figure out who made them!

    Miriam is this site for the underside of any vintage Japanese machine or just the 15 clones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Miriam is this site for the underside of any vintage Japanese machine or just the 15 clones?
    Miriam is going to start a new thread in a couple of days for Vintage Japanese Badged Machines. The thread will be for all machines that are not Singer Model 15 clones. She says to get your pics ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    Miriam is going to start a new thread in a couple of days for Vintage Japanese Badged Machines. The thread will be for all machines that are not Singer Model 15 clones. She says to get your pics ready.
    Yes, that is true - get your pictures ready - I'll get mine when I get done with my day job work for the week
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    Model 12. Under restoration presently.
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    we should do a thread on the dark side of the long bobbin machines, too - I am not convinced people read the whole thread some times. That one looks more complicated than the 128
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    Miriam,

    Once you tip the head back on one of these 12s and watch the action, you'll see just how simple they are.
    And so easy to work on.
    What amazes me is the huge amount of varnish and greasy gunk these 12s have on their undersides. Always much more than any class 15 or 66.

    Cathy


    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    we should do a thread on the dark side of the long bobbin machines, too - I am not convinced people read the whole thread some times. That one looks more complicated than the 128
    Cathy

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    I've seen so many machines all coated and just as many bone dry. Go figure. I got a brief look at Glenn's 12 - pretty cool how the shuttle goes side to side. It would be cool to see a video on how some of these go and the differences - Muv?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I've seen so many machines all coated and just as many bone dry. Go figure. I got a brief look at Glenn's 12 - pretty cool how the shuttle goes side to side. It would be cool to see a video on how some of these go and the differences - Muv?
    I was lucky on my 12. It was really clean under the dark side. I just had to do the final clean up.
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    Dan. Nice 12 under all of that dark gunk. Likely 100+ years of dried whale oil varnish. Always think positive, that gunk prevented rust.
    Sweet Caroline

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    My 127 was like that 12. I'm still cleaning it. Nothing but Hoppe's and alcohol has touched that gunk. Next machine like that that I see I'm gonna turn and run away from it.

    Joe

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    Here is are pictures of my 15 clone. It says "Electro-Grand" on the machine and the manual, but the underside is clearly marked "Brother". The attachments (very few) were in a Brother box. The warranty in the manual shows the machine was originally purchased April 7, 1953.
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    Oooooo, a nice purty blue machine.

    I'm kind of jealous though as none of my machines has a receipt of purchase. I think one maybe two have warranty cards.

    Joe

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    The Model 12 was made in 1870-1871 so it is 147 years old...it makes a nice stitch too...

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    I made the promised new thread - one for just straight stitch and zig zag and one for fancy stitch Japanese machines - Joe and I can't be the only ones out there with Japanese machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I made the promised new thread - one for just straight stitch and zig zag and one for fancy stitch Japanese machines - Joe and I can't be the only ones out there with Japanese machines.
    Good thinking Miriam, two threads. Thank you.
    Sweet Caroline

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