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Old 12-20-2022, 06:26 PM
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Do we know which Kenmores sport that 2 pulley drive system? It's definitely on my wish list. I believe the 158.10400 had it.
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Old 12-21-2022, 10:19 AM
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I believe there are Kenmore groups on facebook and maybe elsewhere. QB and VSS are as close as I come to social media so I can't help you much more than that.

I have worked on a few of these 2 pulley machines for other people, but didn't really know what it was all about. This is the first I've owned, and just used it yesterday to fix a small tear in a blanket.
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Old 12-21-2022, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeJr View Post
I believe there are Kenmore groups on facebook and maybe elsewhere. QB and VSS are as close as I come to social media so I can't help you much more than that.

I have worked on a few of these 2 pulley machines for other people, but didn't really know what it was all about. This is the first I've owned, and just used it yesterday to fix a small tear in a blanket.
JoeJr. Is right about the FB groups. One of them has gathered a great deal of information about these machines and there is a partial list of machines with dual belt systems.

I can tell you that from what I can see the 158 series machines are the ones that have this system and I know for a fact that the 158.17600 has them. I know that because I have that machine.

According to what I can glean, the 158.14 series, the 158.1600, 1700, 1800 and 1900 also has them. These would be the ones made by Jaguar/Maruzen.
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Old 12-22-2022, 05:05 PM
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JoeJr. Is right about the FB groups. One of them has gathered a great deal of information about these machines and there is a partial list of machines with dual belt systems.

I can tell you that from what I can see the 158 series machines are the ones that have this system and I know for a fact that the 158.17600 has them. I know that because I have that machine.

According to what I can glean, the 158.14 series, the 158.1600, 1700, 1800 and 1900 also has them. These would be the ones made by Jaguar/Maruzen.
I believe the 158.10400 machines have the extra pulley.

That PDF is very interesting. It appears that all 2 pulley machines are 158s, but maybe not all 158s have the double pulleys. Definitely gives me something to work with. Thanks!
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Old 12-22-2022, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AlZilla View Post
I believe the 158.10400 machines have the extra pulley.

That PDF is very interesting. It appears that all 2 pulley machines are 158s, but maybe not all 158s have the double pulleys. Definitely gives me something to work with. Thanks!
You're welcome. I believe that the PDF is a "work in progress" intended to gather information from users. The blanks do no mean that some machines do not have the double-pulley system. From what I can gather, most if not all 158 machines have the double pulley system. What the PDF tells you is that users have confirmed those models are double pulley machines.

And given that the machines such as the 17600 was part of a series, I believe what it means is that all of the machines in that series have the double pulley set up. I stand to be corrected on all of this, but I believe that to be the case.
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1.41 what is a C, C1, and C2 in reference to the bed?? Also I wonder if there was a typo for the 185.924 - should probably be 158.924 Also, it looks like something is missing from the date on the 158.1782

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1.41 what is a C, C1, and C2 in reference to the bed?? Also I wonder if there was a typo for the 185.924 - should probably be 158.924 Also, it looks like something is missing from the date on the 158.1782

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I believe it had to the do with the location of the free arm, that is whether the free arm was set up at the rear of the machine, the centre or the front of the machine.

I think you're right that it was a typo. I expect it was a 158 and not a 185
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Old 12-22-2022, 06:14 PM
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Just found a different version with a key:

FB flat bed
FA free arm
C1 convertible, U shaped
C2 convertible, hinged slide
S squared
R rounded
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Old 12-26-2022, 08:38 AM
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I found this machine in a local thrift store for $20 (about $20 more than I'm used to paying). I was sold 1. when I popped the top and the drive components were all metal, and 2. because the removable platform for making it a free arm is all metal as well.

This machine is from the mid 70s (that would be the 1970s, so as not to confuse it with Daselby's beautiful machines from the 1870s). I found a very good write up over here

https://pungolivinghome.com/2021/09/...ewing-machine/

(this person also has a write up about oil vs grease in Singer motors and how to tell which is which; I'm going to have to take apart some motors now).

I messed with the hand wheel for at least 5 minutes trying to figure out how to disengage it; turns out it moves in and out. This has the Kenmore super high shank with quick release lever; came with the ZZ and straight feet. There is an adapter available to make it a regular high shank for $15. There is a lever to lower the feed dogs. And it has the dual pulley drive belt system.

I had been looking for a free arm with non-rubber/plastic drive components, and I kinda like these era Kenmores.
Where do I find the adapter to make the super high shank into a high shank?
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Where do I find the adapter to make the super high shank into a high shank?
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