Lets gather our Sewing Machine Manuals!
09-14-2013, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane
If I was closer to you, I'd offer to scan them and turn them into PDFs, but,.. uh... 3300kms (2050mi) one way assuming I didn't get lost at all... that's a lotta driving. 
09-14-2013, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheluma
PS -- If you're not violating copyright, Google is not likely to remove it. One can report to Google that his rights have been violated, but not the rights of someone else. If the (previous) owner knows that their copyright has expired, they're not likely to make a false report. They would lose credibility because it's public information and not hard to verify. Google is on a mission to make non-copyrighted publications available to the public. QB is a different story.
There's only winners and if someone finds that some stuff they bought 30 years ago includes copyrights for things that haven't quite expired yet but are being shared, what will they do? Sue someone who has no money and is only trying to help other people? No. Even if anyone is this type of evil it still has to start with a "cease and desist" letter and there's no lost earnings. People are so frightened when it comes to copyright and it's unnecessary. You're more likely to be sued for selling second hand original manuals or the PDF versions: The former because you're doing Singer out of $15 (they sell some paper manuals) and the latter because you are actually stealing (charging money for someone else's work) unless you're paying royalties.
The reason humans are such a successful animal is because they share information freely. There was a time it was restricted in our recent history so that only the wealthy had access, and this was known as "the dark ages".
OK, end of rant
09-14-2013, 11:11 PM
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No one is stealing $15 from Singer by selling a photocopy or PDF. If it's in the public domain, it belongs to everyone. Anyone can sell a copy for whatever price they can get. Second-hand originals are also perfectly legal to sell. Copyright rules apply only to the first sale.
09-14-2013, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheluma
But it's so expensive now -- it's cheaper to buy a scanner!
yes it might well be. Postage has gone up so much these last few years. I understand what you say about the manuals too: I'm sure Singer aren't losing business because of the PDFs (or else they wouldn't allow a DL) but they are if someone sells an original one. It's really nice to have a printed manual *and* the PDF and printing your own is a poor second best option (I hate the blind stitch attachment manual that I printed).Good to know that it's OK to re-sell the manuals too. Keeps the postal service happier.
I see on a lot of documents that resale is not permitted or legal.
Those PDF sellers on eBay really get to me, particularly when the PDF has been copied from someone like me, who gives it away.
09-23-2013, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheluma
You're right, it is a tedious process. There is one exception, and that is if the copyright date is between 1950 and 1963. <snip>
I mis-spoke, it's not really a parts list but a chart of feet/attachments with part numbers, geared towards the consumer. You've probably seen it -- it's "Machine Sewing [something, something]", copyright 1948. It's Singer's form # 1876, published multiple times from the teens through the 60s, with slightly different titles.
I mis-spoke, it's not really a parts list but a chart of feet/attachments with part numbers, geared towards the consumer. You've probably seen it -- it's "Machine Sewing [something, something]", copyright 1948. It's Singer's form # 1876, published multiple times from the teens through the 60s, with slightly different titles.
I don't think I've seen that chart, no, but I suppose I could look it up.
Originally Posted by Sheluma
PS -- If you're not violating copyright, Google is not likely to remove it. One can report to Google that his rights have been violated, but not the rights of someone else. If the (previous) owner knows that their copyright has expired, they're not likely to make a false report. They would lose credibility because it's public information and not hard to verify. Google is on a mission to make non-copyrighted publications available to the public. QB is a different story.
Originally Posted by manicmike
Hey Tammi, there's this thing called postage I heard was really popular last century
Originally Posted by manicmike
Those PDF sellers on eBay really get to me, particularly when the PDF has been copied from someone like me, who gives it away.
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