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    Need help with a singer.

    I know she is a 1931.. What I need is she a 66 or 99? She is new out of the shed thanks to DD. I also need to know what to use on the rust. Where can I get missing parts?
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    It's a 66, what dash # I can't tell.

    What parts are missing?


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    looks like you need a tension and a needle plate and a slide plate and a spool holder... and that may just be for starters. see if Cathy has anything or sew-classic. It might cost as much in parts as to go buy another one just like it and not have to work on it... It still has good bones though.
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    Naw, no need to part the old machine out. The needle plate is rounded thing at the bottom of the picture. If the slide plate is missing Sew-Classic has those. I've seen tensioner assemblies too but can't remember where. My local guy has them as bits and pieces for reasonable prices, so I'd start there for everything.

    I've rescued machines (Singer 66s to be exact) from the inglorious death of being parted out only to find they sew like champs.

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    Joe, it could well be rescued, however, it could cost quite a bit unless you already have a parts machine or source for parts and it would be some work to get everything put together. Once put together it might run like a brand new machine though. For about $40 you can get one that is all there on CL if you aren't in any hurry - I know some people want more than that but unless it has the back tack I doubt if it would go for more.
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    I understand that.

    What I don't understand is why people consider spending a few dollars to fix an other wise good machine to be such a bad thing. Money isn't everything.

    Destroying one machine to fix another one that could be fixed simply by dropping some cash and buying some replacement parts is in my way of thinking wrong. There are times that a machine is just simply too far gone, use what you can, but in the last few months I've seen perfectly good machines destroyed simply because their decals weren't in good shape or they needed a hard to find part. This isn't a recent thing for me, I feel the same about cars, trucks, guns, fountain pens, and just about anything.
    This mentality comes from collectors. Take the best parts from useable (insert item here _______________ ) put them on one that's shinier and charge more money for it. I find it sickening.

    I won't rant any more about it here, I mean nothing personal by my comments, but I am not a collector and that's the way I feel.

    Joe

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    Ok. calm down, Joe

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/singer..._id=2593288844
    Singer slide plates cost $6.50 to 11.99 plus postage

    http://shop.sew-classic.com/Needle-P...2-SCP32602.htm
    Throat plate 9.99 plus postage

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tension-Disc...item58919f2525 Singer tension $16.99 plus postage

    It still needs a spool holder a new bobbin winder and a belt most likely AND you are already up to $40 with postage. Maybe you have a cheaper source. Most likely the parts you would buy on Ebay or from your local sewing machine repairman are already 'harvested' from a parts machine from somewhere. Then if you figure labor, you have spent quite a bit of money. On the other hand. When it is fixed up, it will be like a new machine again. You really can't kill those beauties. Think about how much one of those machine would cost new in today's dollars. Nothing NEW sews like those do - nothing. They will be around longer than the junk you buy at Walmart. I do see your point, Joe. When ever possible I buy the parts and do the repairs - but take a hard look. Also, look around, you might find the parts a whole lot less. We can help you find manuals with directions to fix that machine. If you can read directions you can do this.
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    It may be possible that someone on QB would have parts if you ask around.
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    miriam,

    Joe is quite calm, his stomach however is not, for what ever it's reason.

    Anyway, as I said I meant nothing personal about what I said, I just have strong feelings about parting out a good machine.

    Now, if my photobucket links hadn't been rearranged I could point you to a story I wrote about refurbishing a naked 99K.
    I'll see if I can find it, fix it and post it here.
    The entire machine consisted of the machine head, mostly complete. No motor, no belt, no case, no spool peg, no presser foot, some missing screws .
    So ..... part it out? Nope, I refurbished it. I have no idea of what it cost to do it as I didn't keep track. The little machine is a sweet sewing machine.

    And it's not the only one.

    To the original poster, I ask your forgiveness for hijacking your thread. As miriam said we'll help you find the parts you need and get her all fixed up if you choose to go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    I understand that.

    What I don't understand is why people consider spending a few dollars to fix an other wise good machine to be such a bad thing. Money isn't everything.

    Destroying one machine to fix another one that could be fixed simply by dropping some cash and buying some replacement parts is in my way of thinking wrong. There are times that a machine is just simply too far gone, use what you can, but in the last few months I've seen perfectly good machines destroyed simply because their decals weren't in good shape or they needed a hard to find part. This isn't a recent thing for me, I feel the same about cars, trucks, guns, fountain pens, and just about anything.
    This mentality comes from collectors. Take the best parts from useable (insert item here _______________ ) put them on one that's shinier and charge more money for it. I find it sickening.

    I won't rant any more about it here, I mean nothing personal by my comments, but I am not a collector and that's the way I feel.

    Joe
    I hear ya Joe...some folks just like doing the work. So now we know to send the machine to YOU...and buy one that needs no work...IF that is what we would rather do. I am in the fixer up corner myself!

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    I got parts...just wish I knew what they all were!

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    Yeah, it pays to label them doesn't it?
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    Contrary to popular belief, these machines are not rare. Not even close. There's nothing wrong with parting out one machine to rebuild another.

    That being said, Joe...if you're NOT a collector, what are you doing with so many machines?? You remind me of my sister who says, "I'm NOT a quilter, I just make baby blankets!" ~wink and a grin~
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    If you can't find everything you can also try here: www.cutsewservice.com they have all types of parts we've done quite a bit of business with them! Congrats on the new member of the family whatcha gonna name her?
    Sew, sew, it's the threads that keep love together :>} I love sunbonnet sue,old-fashioned things like 1950's or older housewife things, and like hankies,tea towels and aprons . Thanks to some lovely members on here I now have lots of aprons in my collection !!

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    I am in the "fix her" corner also. To me it is the challenge of taking an old sewing machine and restoring/refurbishing her to usefulness. Yep, there is money involved. I don't care. It makes me happy to accomplish something and learn something new by doing.
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    Jacquie,
    I appreciate the idea, but I'm hip deep in project machines and cabinets for a while.
    As for parts post a pic of them, they should be identifiable.

    Charlee,
    Oh geeze, what is the difference between a collector and an accumulator?

    Well, a collector obsesses over the perfect example. Always searching for the item in 100% condition. Willing to sacrifice a good item to make a better one perfect. I've seen this with gun collectors a lot. Always parting out perfectly useable guns after taking one piece off of them to put on their favorite collection gun. They make me sick.

    An accumulator picks up what speaks to them. I like Singer 66s so it seems they speak to me. But I'm not obsessed about the perfect example. I won't sacrifice one machine to make another one better. I have one that has so much needle rash on the arm it's down to the bare metal. But oh it sews sooooooooo nice. Part it out to fix another one? No chance in hades.

    So no, I'm not a "collector", I'm an "accumulator". Or a hoarder if you want.
    I think Caroline's comment pretty much fits me to a T as well.

    Joe

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    ^ Hoarders, lol. We need to all make money off a Hoarders: Sewing Machind Edition episode, haha. Reality shows are staged, so we could all toss in 5-10 machines and some empty cabinets stacked to the ceiling, and make it look really extreme. ;-D


    I have a Singer 66-16 that I just got around to taking a look at. (I think I have owned it since summer of 2006. Seriously.) I need some assistance:

    1. The bobbin winder "droops.'" This is the more modern 66 that has the stitch length lever and the backtack. It has the modern bobbin winder mechanism. That bobbin winder tire hangs so loosely that it rides on the handwheel, like all the time. Is that an adjustment or will I need to buy a spring?

    2. What belt length for it? It's the original big Bakelite Singer motor, and the Alphasew 1512 belt is too short.

    3. The presser foot is missing. It's standard low shank, side clamp. Does anyone have a spare to sell?

    4. Handcrank conversion: I am considering it. I have a handcrank. I'd need a spoked wheel. If I buy a Chinese aftermarket spoked wheel, will I need to worry about either the bobbin winder not matching up, or the wrong bushing/collar might be on the shaft (I read someplace that if something-or-other, take the bushing off the parts machine along w/ the spoked wheel.) If I don't turn this one into a hc, I will have to buy a new cord for it plus rewire the motor b/c all the insulation is flaking off. I am afeared of electrical motors.

    It's a 1945 model, with scrolled endplate and backplate. Very nice smooth action. Has a shellac finish, too, I think. I have, in the past, for Singer 127 treadle heads, just tossed them in the sink, scrubbed them clean, dried them out, and then used a brush to paint fresh shellac on them. It seemed to work okay, too.
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    YIKES! Have you been looking in the windows? I DO have cabinets stacked to the ceiling and machines wall to wall EVERYWHERE... it is getting worse daily... HMMM I wonder how much money the hoarders would pay - I have a mother lode in my shop... I wouldn't need contributions but why not. Of course you might not get your 10 or so machines back if the machines get lost or decide they like it back there... or ew - they might multiply....
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    I understand that. What I don't understand is why people consider spending a few dollars to fix an other wise good machine to be such a bad thing. Money isn't everything.

    Destroying one machine to fix another one that could be fixed simply by dropping some cash and buying some replacement parts is in my way of thinking wrong. There are times that a machine is just simply too far gone, use what you can, but in the last few months I've seen perfectly good machines destroyed simply because their decals weren't in good shape or they needed a hard to find part. This isn't a recent thing for me, I feel the same about cars, trucks, guns, fountain pens, and just about anything.
    This mentality comes from collectors. Take the best parts from useable (insert item here _______________ ) put them on one that's shinier and charge more money for it. I find it sickening.

    I won't rant any more about it here, I mean nothing personal by my comments, but I am not a collector and that's the way I feel.

    Joe

    I agree but don't have the know-how to restore or fix them but have tried to keep the old ones I have and tried to buy parts they need and they are just the basic things for them. I like sitting at my old machines and imagine whose lives they clothed and/or made money for the things they made on them... just day dreaming, I guess.

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    Assuming you're willing to go the distance (and spend the $$$) to restore this machine, you'll need to get Evaporust to soak the rusted parts in.

    That being said, I'm one of those Craigslist junkies that hunts down every machine in my area worth repairing--and based on this photo, I'd pass on this machine. I'm not saying that to be discouraging or to dissuade you, just want to share what I've learned the hard way in the hopes of saving you some trouble and $$$, or preparing you for what's to come if you decide to take the plunge:

    We can see in the photo that the bobbin area is pretty badly rusted. You'll need to take all of that apart in order to get the rust off, and even then, there's no guarantee it won't be pitted. If it is, you'll need to purchase those parts.

    Ditto for the bobbin winding mechanism, and with that amount of rust--or "oxidation," as some like to politely call it--I'd wager the spring is bad as well and will need to be replaced along with the rest of it, unless the Evaporust does the trick. (The bear is, you won't know until you try whether it will work or not.)

    The needlebar area and the one tension plate left on the machine also shows rust, as does the thumbscrew holding the faceplate on and the thread guide that's north of the tension assembly. (That thread guide in particular is tricky to replace, and so tricky to remove that I don't think I've ever seen anyone selling one as a spare part.) Rust isn't usually isolated, so I'm willing to bet that if you look at the machine's undersides, and behind the faceplate, you're going to find more rust. If you do, removing that from those internal parts requires major surgery, i.e. removing the needlebar, removing the main shaft, re-timing the machine, et cetera. This is not a problem if you're mechanically adept, or patient enough to learn, provided you've got the right set of tools (a comprehensive set of hollow-ground screwdriver bits in a variety of sizes will serve you well).

    All of this doesn't mean this machine is unfixable--it just means you ought to know what you're getting into. If your priority is to fix this particular machine and learn something, I'd say dive in, as long as you've got the time and money. Rescuing a machine can bring a lot of satisfaction. But if your priority is to get to sewing in a timely manner, I think you'd be better off looking for another machine.
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    The accumulation of things (including sewing machines) can be a burden on one's spirit after a point. That point is at a different number for different people. I don't advocate taking a sledge hammer to a good machine -- that is disrespectful. However, if I can't fix it, and if it cost nearly nothing in the first place, then I will think long and hard before spending much money on it. And I sure don't want to have to store it in unworkable condition. That is when it is given to someone who can do something with it or it is parted out.

    Just me. Maybe my spirit needs adjusting!

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    Well said, makes sense to me.

    Jon

    Quote Originally Posted by Daylesewblessed View Post
    The accumulation of things (including sewing machines) can be a burden on one's spirit after a point. That point is at a different number for different people. I don't advocate taking a sledge hammer to a good machine -- that is disrespectful. However, if I can't fix it, and if it cost nearly nothing in the first place, then I will think long and hard before spending much money on it. And I sure don't want to have to store it in unworkable condition. That is when it is given to someone who can do something with it or it is parted out.

    Just me. Maybe my spirit needs adjusting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlee View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, these machines are not rare. Not even close. There's nothing wrong with parting out one machine to rebuild another.

    That being said, Joe...if you're NOT a collector, what are you doing with so many machines?? You remind me of my sister who says, "I'm NOT a quilter, I just make baby blankets!" ~wink and a grin~

    Charlee,

    Since this thread has been brought back to the top I'll answer your question a bit better this time.

    I like to learn things. Buying one machine and learning to sew would be a major undertaking for some people, me too, but I want to know what makes these machines tick. So I get one that's new to me, service it, refurb it, repair it, what ever it needs and in doing that I learn something. I am a mechanical type person so I actually enjoy tinkering with them. Occasionally I sell or trade some off and make a buck or two. So far we've made back what we've put into them plus a bit.
    Due to spinal arthritis and other issues I don't have the stamina to do the work I used to, so I'm teaching myself how to fix and service these machines so that perhaps I can bring some cash flow into our bank account.

    I suppose that about covers it.

    Joe

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    For many Joe, without parts machines to supply the parts, it would be cost prohibitive to order and replace parts when you can buy a complete machine of the same model for less money. I understand that you like to tinker with the machines and that's ok...just as it's ok to part out machines that are common and easy to come by.
    There's nothing better to learn on than a machine that you can't hurt by making a mistake! S'all good, and live and let live kinda thing, cuz I seriously doubt that I'm going to change your mind, anymore than you could change mine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by js3830 View Post
    I know she is a 1931.. What I need is she a 66 or 99? She is new out of the shed thanks to DD. I also need to know what to use on the rust. Where can I get missing parts?
    Hi!
    I'm new but i do know a bit about cleaning machine parts. I used this 'trick' on cast iron it may take a bit of elbow grease but it's cheap. I'm not sure how it would affect the decal and paint so test in a hidden spot first. Salt and veggie oil, paper towel or cloth. *nods* yep, thats it. Put oil on the paper towel, add a little salt then scrub until the rust is gone. Repeat as necessary.

    Then just use soap and water to remove the veggie oil and salt, making sure it's super dry so it won't rust. Re-Oil the machine with sewing machine oil.

    I'm not sure about the parts, and i'm fairly certain others here know different ways to scrub rust away. As i said i'm new to collecting and caring. But this trick works for cast iron pots and pans. No harsh chemicals and such.

    Hope this helps.

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