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I need a definite date. I did some searching on my lucky penny machine. I come across this date-1933-1935 for my machine. Here is the serial # 940584.Thanks to everyones help. Don-isewman

what brand? Photos? Picture of the Serial number?

It's a 221 black FW.

Don, there should be letters as the first part of the serial number, it makes it much easier to look up with them.

SORRY The # is AD9405584. Don-isewman

if it's AD940584 then it's June 24, 1935 with the next allocation coming on Sept. 23rd.

I was having problems getting a good date on the Singer Redeye that I bought last year. I emailed Singer Company and they sent me a date AND a certificate to print out. Pretty cool.

A 221 FW!!! I think you can change your handle from Isewman to Luckyman!:D

For those that contact Singer - be careful with what Singer sends you. They often don't ask what model you have, and if you "accidentally" send them the wrong number, you'll get the wrong information back.

I've had this argument with several people (most sellers on eBay) who said "Singer said" and what Singer said is obviously not correct. I think the vintage folk on this board know way more about the older Singers than what ever person they've got answering the mail/phone that may never have even seen what the machines they are looking up actually look like.

That is why it's always best to know what model you have, then if you look up the number and it shows it for a 15, and you know you have a 27, then it's time to take a closer look at the serial number. ISMACS site list dates and model numbers - and that list is a copy of what Singer is using.

There was one listing, the seller made up this cute little story about the Singer Red Eye made in 1915, and on and on. . . with the Singer certificate and all, unfortunately the machine was a 15-91 made around 1950. Which proves they'd never seen a Red Eye.

And then there is the one where they gave Singer the number of the motor, and were trying to sell it as a "pre 1900" machine. It was a model that was not made before 1900 - but they had a certificate from Singer to prove it!

I'm going to add a couple things to what Macybaby said.
1) There are a few documented cases of mistakes in the Singer lists. If you have carefully written down your serial number and looked it up properly(using the right number of digits), checked it three hundred times, had someone else check it a hundred times, and it still says your machine is a 27 when it's obviously a 15(just an example) then you've found one of those mistakes.
2)When Singer started that certificate thing, for any machines they didn't or still don't have an accurate record(such as the early 301s) they chose an arbitrary date for all machines of a given prefix. For example, for all of the NA prefix 301s, Singer gives everyone the same manufacture date for their machine. Same goes for the NB prefix machines and several others.

Cari