The darndest thing just happened with one of my 9W-7s
 

I was quilting a panel with my Singer 9W-7 #1 when all of sudden .... BAM!, BAM!, BAM!. I couldn't get it stopped after the first BAM! even though I tried.
When I looked, my needle was bent and broken. Say What???

Well, I suspected that perhaps I had pulled on the fabric a bit too much so I set about to put in a new needle. Well, so much for that, the broken one is jammed in super tight.

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This is the 9W-7 that has been modified so it can use 15x1 needles. I suspect the impact forced the top of the needle deeper into the hole in the shaft.

I've tried several sets of pliers to get it out without success, so I've got to figure something out.

I just hope it didn't knock the machine out of time.

Joe

have you tried WD40 ? it might loosen up the needle a bit for you to be able to pull it out.

if you do the vicegrip and hammer (good idea) put a piece of leather (and maybe even a thin bit of foam) under it to absorb the shock

Oh my...let us know how this ends for you.

can you get the bobbin case out it could be jammed on that, then you maybe able to get it out from underneath.

Cold expands, heat contracts. Electronics stores, Walmart or Staples will have Freeze Spray. It is used to quickly cool electronics. Clamp onto the remaining needle with a pair of pliers, spray the needle bar and pull at the same time. Your needle stub should pull free.

Ouch.

CD in Oklahoma

litacats,
The machine is not jammed. It's free and spins easily. The needle is just jammed up inside the needle bar.

The vise grip idea was the next one on my mine. Will have to go outside in the garage to get a set of those.


CD,
Yes, OUCH. Very glad the broken piece of needle had the thread through it. I was able to recover it with no damage to me or anything(one) else.

Joe

Canned dust remover air? Is that what you are talking about?

Ack! I hope you find a way to get that little bit out. Not fun.

I think you might have meant the other way around. Heat expands, cold contracts.
Rodney

i dont remember on this one, is there a clearance hole for the needle stop, where u might push in the end of a scribe, or shoot some ____________?

no - HEAT expands, cold contracts - that is why you run a LID under hot water, not the jar.

All except water - which starts expanding again when it freezes, which is a very, very good thing . . .

I had this happen a few years ago and for about a week I would put sewing machine oil on/in the small hole daily and it finally slipped out on its own. Put an old wash cloth under the needle -like they say 'hind sight is 20-20'

OK, the stump of the broken needle is out. I clamped a set of Vise Grips on it and tapped it out. It took three tries, tightening the Vise Grips each time before they could grip hard enough to not slip off.

The victimized needle is a Schmetz 15x1 size 16.

One thing I noticed is that modern needles have a short taper, almost a point, at the top of the needle. If your machine has a cross wise needle stop that makes no difference. But this machine does not.
oldsewandsew here's your answer. The 9W-7 and the WW D9 predecessor and probably others do not have a cross wise needle stop nor a place to insert anything to encourage the needle to come out. There is a small diameter hole that intersects the needle hole, but it's so small I don't think you could get anything in there strong enough to have any leverage.

When this machine was modified to use 15x1s, the needle hole was opened up from 1.4 mm to 2.0 mm just deep enough for the 15x1s to time up. The 127x1s still fit and work just fine.

What happened this time is the taper on the top of the needle was forced into the smaller hole as a friction fit and jammed tight. Something that would not usually happen.

After getting the broken needle out I checked the needle bar, it didn't look to have moved in the mounts, or be bent. The needles both the original 127x1 and the 15x1s will mount up and pass through the hole in the needle plate with no problems.

Then I decided to check the hook timing. As far as I can tell it's OK. However ... (there's always a however) I noticed the very tippy end of the hook is broken off. Not enough to really alter the timing, but it's a rough squared end now instead of a point. I don't know if it happened last night or has been there for a while.
I think I might be able to stone and polish it back to a point then re-time it if needed.

So later today I'll thread it up and see if the machine still sews. I think it will.

Joe

sounds sort of like what I just did with my Bailey (long arm quilter) I put in the bobbin and didn't notice that I bumped one of the latches that hold it all in place - so all of a sudden the bobbin case and shuttle was able to move forward, and the needle came down on top of them. Broke the needle, it did jam a bit but didn't take that much to get free. However I also ended up with a big bur on the very tip of the shuttle hook. Got it polished down and everything is working fine.

My machine came with a spare shuttle hook - because jamming the needle into the shuttle hook is pretty easy to do when you are FMQ.

I still haven't completely figured out what I did. I can accept that I pulled the fabric and totalled the needle. Done that before. But what happened to break the tip off the hook? That did happen yesterday because today it won't pick up the thread for nothing. I tried several times and it just wont. So, I broke it ... :(

Anybody got a spare bobbin hook for a Singer 9W-7 that uses the FW style bobbin?

Joe

I'll look when I get back in town tonight. I'll PM you either way. Send me a picture of the old hook. They can usually be salvaged, but grinding on the wrong surface will kill them.

Cathy

Cathy,

Will do on the pic. Do I have your email? Sending pics through the PM is a royal pain. No upload thingy.

Joe

I just had the same issue with the 29-4 I sold to my Apprentice.

We could not get it to stitch reliably no matter what. I took off the needle clamp and found the remains of a needle jammed up inside. A little modern tool magic and it is clear. She sews fantastic and is out of my shop finally!

Joe,
I sent you a PM

Cathy,
Got the PM and replied.

Joe