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PatriciaPf 01-21-2016 12:27 PM

Help needed with White treadle cabinet mechanism
 
This 1909 mission style cabinet has a mechanism that lowers the machine head when the top is folded up. I dropped a bobbin inside and turned the knob on the right front edge of the machine thinking I could then tilt the head back and find the offending bobbin. Right. I can tilt the head back now, but loosening that knob/nut disconnected a spring inside and all five parts are loose. Without these things connected I cannot lower the head in its unsecured state. I can't figure out the best way to reach the area to put them back together, nor am I sure the path the long spring should take from the opposite side. If anyone knows the secret or can point me to an assembly diagram, I will be most grateful. I am guessing the cabinet may have to be turned on its side, but I am not sure, and really don't know the correct way to reassemble those 5 parts, not counting the spring. If I'd thought it through, the bobbin probably would have fallen out when the machine was closed....I just love hindsight.
Pat

ErgoTiger 01-21-2016 02:44 PM

Anyway you can take a few pics?

PatriciaPf 01-21-2016 04:12 PM

I'll try to get some up soon.

DonnaMiller 01-21-2016 04:23 PM

Can you loosen the screws on the hinges and remove the Head? That should allow you to get the bobbin out. If not, don't hurt yourself with a loose machine.

PatriciaPf 01-21-2016 08:10 PM

I tried lowering and tilting the head part way and the bobbin fell out along with two small flanged washers. The aforementioned knob had a strange-looking flat hook screwed into it from beneath and I think the end of the spring was attached to it. We will take pictures tomorrow. 'Tis a mystery!

PatriciaPf 01-24-2016 02:38 PM

Pictures here.
 
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]541013[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]541014[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]541015[/ATTACH]There is a picture of the long spring, but it won't upload. The spring is hanging down in the back. Wow! Looks like I have some housekeeping to do on the underside.

PatriciaPf 01-24-2016 02:45 PM

Here is another picture.
 
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This is what I unscrewed, not knowing what was underneath.[ATTACH=CONFIG]541018[/ATTACH]

PatriciaPf 01-24-2016 02:48 PM

Picture three
 
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Sum of loose parts. Can't determine where the flanged washers go.[ATTACH=CONFIG]541019[/ATTACH]
Another intact White sewing machine cabinet in working condition may show how this is set up. Some later machines show a lever, not this knob, while earlier ones show nothing.

ErgoTiger 01-26-2016 12:04 PM

In the pic in post 6, are those barings or just shims?

As for those rods, are those bronze, in post pic 6? As for post pic 7, could this hook looking piece clasp to the cabinet, to sucure the machine frame?

PatriciaPf 01-26-2016 07:15 PM

I don't think they are bronze; just steel that needs a good cleaning. The hook probably should serve to keep the machine secure when it is lowered into the cabinet. Right now it is loose. I think the spring was attached to it, but I don't know what path to take the spring now that it is detached.

DKuehn 01-26-2016 09:12 PM

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I have a mission cabinet, but it has the lever. Are there any other pics that would be helpful? They have it pretty closed up in there and it's hard to see around.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]541200[/ATTACH]

PatriciaPf 01-28-2016 02:57 PM

Thank you for the picture. I agree--there is a lot of stuff in there, and it's hard to access, unless you don't mind lying on your back with the flashlight. Of course, then you are deprived of one hand...
Poirot would be proud of me. I was so frustrated with this that I got out the user manual and went through the illustrated parts list to discover that the mechanism has a SPRING! I found the little guy on the floor near the machine and got to work.
The spring slips over the shaft of the hook and sits on one of the washers. Another washer tops the spring and then the shaft is pushed through the hole from beneath. it's topped by the hooked washer and then the knob is screwed on. When the head is seated the hook snaps under the edge of a metal plate and secures the head. To release it, the knob is pushed to the left, swinging the hook to the right, and one can then tip the head up. This is so cool! I have to admit that I didn't install the spring washers because I didn't have the grip and stability I needed, so my husband (the engineer) is going to do it right. Now I need to find out where to attach the other spring that is hanging from a bracket behind the front panel. It has to do with raising the panel so one's knees will fit under the machine. The panel still moves without it, but it is there for something. Do you have a picture of that?

yobrosew 01-30-2016 05:04 PM

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Dont know if these will help. Above are three pieces.
Knob on top.
Then the hook that goes in or out of little hole on machine base. It is like a washer with hook jutting out.
Third is j-type hook that is attached into knob and goes through to the washer/hook above and through base to underside.

Below is the remainder of j-type hook with a nice heavy spring around the pist of this hook.

Note the difference in spring. Tightened is open to lift headd back. Loose is when the abouve washer hook is in hole of base making secure to close lid and drop machine to hide in cabinet.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]541543[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]541544[/ATTACH]

PatriciaPf 01-30-2016 05:14 PM

Yes, this is what I ended up with, finally. Your pictures are very good. Mine is supposed to have a flanged washer on the top and bottom of the spring, but yours shows a slot the spring's end can tuck into. The washers are slippery and unstable. If your machine is younger than 1909, maybe that's why the design was changed.
Pat

yobrosew 01-30-2016 05:14 PM

No idea why the uncropped pictures showed up also. I tried to edit out but they show as attachments and I cannot figure out how to delete. Plus they are plus-size! I cropped as did not want to confuse with the material under picture. I have a habit of over oiling and left that under machine a while ago after wiping up and never removed.

yobrosew 01-30-2016 05:39 PM

Did you notch a groove in it yourself? I love, love, love my machine. The simplicity of it is a marvel to me.


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