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themadpatter 11-27-2020 07:31 AM

Old Singer 99 questions
 
I bought an old 99 and was again the victim of my own hubris. See pictures here. It has a hole for a knee control, but I don't have the thing that goes in there. What is it called, and is there a good place to get them?

The second issue is that the wire from the wall ends in 2 little cylindrical plugs, and one of them is barely hanging in there. How doe I replace that?

The third question is, can I bypass all that mess and just have a regular foot pedal? Is this accomplished by rewiring it to have a power block with lights and motor plugs?

It only cost me about $40, but the amount I'm going to pay in post sale problem solving might be steep, lol.

Thanks in advance to those who have gone through this before me.

JoeJr 11-27-2020 08:17 AM

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The first picture is a 99 that came to me with a motor and foot control, the light is wired into the block under the motor. The second picture is a motor/bracket from a 15-90. I put the 15-90 motor onto the 99 and the belt appeared to line up fine ( I didn't take any measurements) and it moved the machine just fine.

From what I've read elsewhere I think finding one of those knee levers might be difficult and/or expensive, not to mention the rewiring problems. I've never seen under one of those knee lever covers, so I don't know how hard it is.

OurWorkbench 11-27-2020 08:22 AM

Quick answer... You need a circular knee lever like https://www.vintagesingerparts.com/p...=8009364471838 There were two styles of knee levers, one round and one flat. ETA- I think there is a third kind for a knee bar/lever that works for a "portable" that fits in a cabinet.

The circular plugs I believe should screw apart to be rewired.

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JoeJr 11-27-2020 08:41 AM

You can find some knee levers on ebay. I was leaning in the direction of rewiring a motor/light/foot control.

leonf 11-27-2020 09:53 AM

You may consider just using a hand crank on it,''

themadpatter 11-27-2020 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by leonf (Post 8437293)
You may consider just using a hand crank on it,''

Actually, this might be the best idea of all, thanks for the idea. I have a hand crank already, but it's a 127/128 27/28, whichever is the small one. I love the crank, but I'm not really too excited about the little spindle-type bobbins.

themadpatter 11-27-2020 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by JoeJr (Post 8437241)
. I've never seen under one of those knee lever covers, so I don't know how hard it is.

Thanks for the pictures. Under the knee lever cover there is basically the insides of a foot control. It has the little slider that moves in an arc, and the piles (?) under it. Not sure what the name of the innards of the foot/knee control are.

themadpatter 11-27-2020 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by OurWorkbench (Post 8437242)
Quick answer... You need a circular knee lever like https://www.vintagesingerparts.com/p...=8009364471838 There were two styles of knee levers, one round and one flat. ETA- I think there is a third kind for a knee bar/lever that works for a "portable" that fits in a cabinet.

The circular plugs I believe should screw apart to be rewired.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
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Holy cow, $70!!! I'll definitely be doing a work around on this, lol. I haven't been around much and I've missed you guys. Glad you commented on this, Janey.

OurWorkbench 11-28-2020 07:59 AM

They can be found elsewhere, but yes can be expensive. Evidently, someone made some reproductions, but think currently sold out. A few links that I found.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KNEE-BAR-SI...p2047675.l2557
https://www.singeroriginalvintagepro...%20BAR-0000002
https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Kne...d-128/80675571
https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...t304332-2.html

The bonanza one sold for less. The QB one I replied "My #191412 knee lever also has "99 mach 200 set" and "128 " 201 set""

I also read (on another board) that there were two people that had the opposite shaped knee levers for their machines, so exchanged them.

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Mickey2 11-28-2020 05:07 PM

Rewiring a kneelever machine isn't that much different from one with a foot pedal, but you need to follow the wiring diagram carefully as with any setup. If the kneelever turns up, I would go for a rewiring. I easily became used to the kneelever setup, both on my old 99 and an Elna Supermatic. I have never been able to get completely comfortable with hand cranks, with just a few seams or stitches I don't mind, neither with the buttonholer, but for larger projects prefer both hands free to maneuver the fabric, electrical motor and light.

If you already have a hand crank 128/127, the trick with the long bobbins is to wind a few at a time if you know you need a lot of thread to begin with. These models are not difficult to get used to.


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