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robertjayp 03-26-2022 06:35 AM

Replace armature?!
 
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I’ve been restoring a 15-91 and finally got the armature removed to clean and I noticed this little bit standing up.

The machine worked well after the rewire, but now I’m wondering if it can work better, if this will even make a difference and could this be harmful to myself or my machine.


Joe Ayres 03-26-2022 05:21 PM

If the arrow is pointing at that upside down U shaped piece, it looks to me like paper insulation protecting the wiring coils. Needs to be there and would cause no harm.

robertjayp 03-26-2022 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Ayres (Post 8544855)
If the arrow is pointing at that upside down U shaped piece, it looks to me like paper insulation protecting the wiring coils. Needs to be there and would cause no harm.

It's raised so I wasn't sure. I ended up ordering another off eBay, only $20 so why not right?

Once I got everything cleaned up and put back together I noticed that it struggled to do a full cycle, needle up - down - and back up. But there was resistance when the needle bar moves down but not back up again when hand cranking. But no issue with the bobbin winder. So I knew the motor was solid. Not sure if the machines supposed to have a little resistance when the bars moving down or if that's just my machine.

Joe Ayres 03-27-2022 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by robertjayp (Post 8544864)
It's raised so I wasn't sure. I ended up ordering another off eBay, only $20 so why not right?

Once I got everything cleaned up and put back together I noticed that it struggled to do a full cycle, needle up - down - and back up. But there was resistance when the needle bar moves down but not back up again when hand cranking. But no issue with the bobbin winder. So I knew the motor was solid. Not sure if the machines supposed to have a little resistance when the bars moving down or if that's just my machine.


Sounds like this machine sat for a while and the oil is hardened. I have a Singer 301 that was just like that, and what I noticed is that it would free up when I ran it, but was stiff when I came back the next time. I read on this forum about oiling with kerosene, so I tried that and am still amazed how that helped. I had already oiled it a number of times, and it still was stiff in a day or so of not being used. I used an oil bottle filled with kerosene and oiled it in all the places one would put oil. I came back a day or so and did that again, and after a few days the machine freed up so much I am still amazed. To paraphrase someone here on the forum, Kerosene, oil, and patience! Kerosene will free up the old oil, then apply fresh oil, repeat. Eventually fresh oil will replace the kerosene. My 301 still amazes me how happy it is!

robertjayp 03-27-2022 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Ayres (Post 8544894)
Sounds like this machine sat for a while and the oil is hardened. I have a Singer 301 that was just like that, and what I noticed is that it would free up when I ran it, but was stiff when I came back the next time. I read on this forum about oiling with kerosene, so I tried that and am still amazed how that helped. I had already oiled it a number of times, and it still was stiff in a day or so of not being used. I used an oil bottle filled with kerosene and oiled it in all the places one would put oil. I came back a day or so and did that again, and after a few days the machine freed up so much I am still amazed. To paraphrase someone here on the forum, Kerosene, oil, and patience! Kerosene will free up the old oil, then apply fresh oil, repeat. Eventually fresh oil will replace the kerosene. My 301 still amazes me how happy it is!

Ohhh that just made me so happy to hear!! Looks like I’ll be buying kerosene today. So just put the kerosene in an oil bottle and just add a drop in places every couple days until it’s freed. Do I apply the oil directly after the kerosene and moving the gears around a bit. Or wait a day?

Joe Ayres 03-27-2022 07:05 AM

What I did was kero, then move things around, then kero again, move around again. Wait a few hours, did that again. It didn't seem to work at first, so I added oil. The next morning it was so loose I was amazed. Then I oiled it again. I'm assuming you have enough of a manual to get all the places. Look for little holes in every joint where things move. And the needle bar needs some too.

robertjayp 03-27-2022 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Ayres (Post 8544924)
What I did was kero, then move things around, then kero again, move around again. Wait a few hours, did that again. It didn't seem to work at first, so I added oil. The next morning it was so loose I was amazed. Then I oiled it again. I'm assuming you have enough of a manual to get all the places. Look for little holes in every joint where things move. And the needle bar needs some too.

Alright will do. It definitely wasn't stuck this morning. But for safe measures I'm going to Kero a bit just to be a bit OCD.

What's funny is now that the machine is almost ready, I'm getting sad.. I think I caught the bug!! *back to craigslist for more

JoeJr 03-29-2022 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by robertjayp (Post 8544927)
What's funny is now that the machine is almost ready, I'm getting sad.. I think I caught the bug!! *back to craigslist for more

You officially have Sewing Machine Acquisition Disorder. Don't fight it...

robertjayp 03-29-2022 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by JoeJr (Post 8545211)
You officially have Sewing Machine Acquisition Disorder. Don't fight it...

I hope it's curable LOL

bkay 03-29-2022 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by robertjayp (Post 8545225)
I hope it's curable LOL

Sorry (or not sorry), it's an addiction. There is no cure.

bkay

juliasb 03-29-2022 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by robertjayp (Post 8544864)
It's raised so I wasn't sure. I ended up ordering another off eBay, only $20 so why not right?

Once I got everything cleaned up and put back together I noticed that it struggled to do a full cycle, needle up - down - and back up. But there was resistance when the needle bar moves down but not back up again when hand cranking. But no issue with the bobbin winder. So I knew the motor was solid. Not sure if the machines supposed to have a little resistance when the bars moving down or if that's just my machine.

Exactly what I would have done.

1.41 03-29-2022 09:46 PM

I'm a fan of kerosene.

In my manual for my Singer 15, Singer recommends kerosene to free up a machine that's working heavily. My 319 manual says the same thing. I have to check but I'm pretty sure that my 128 manual also says to use kerosene.

robertjayp 03-30-2022 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by bkay (Post 8545226)
Sorry (or not sorry), it's an addiction. There is no cure.

bkay

I'm trying to convince my roommate to buy a machine so I can work on it LOL

robertjayp 03-30-2022 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by 1.41 (Post 8545337)
I'm a fan of kerosene.

In my manual for my Singer 15, Singer recommends kerosene to free up a machine that's working heavily. My 319 manual says the same thing. I have to check but I'm pretty sure that my 128 manual also says to use kerosene.

I couldn't find it in my area and haven't had time to venture to the bigger stores yet. But once it all broke free and started moving, it's stayed nice and smooth. So I don't think I need it, but I'm going to get it anyway..

I do want to keep it cleaned, probably annually, and work off old oil and grease etc.

JoeJr 03-30-2022 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by robertjayp (Post 8545366)
I'm trying to convince my roommate to buy a machine so I can work on it LOL

You may enjoy this, although you're very early in the progression

https://sewing-machines.blogspot.com...ta-let-go.html

OurWorkbench 03-30-2022 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by JoeJr (Post 8545373)
You may enjoy this, although you're very early in the progression

https://sewing-machines.blogspot.com...ta-let-go.html

:):D
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

robertjayp 03-30-2022 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by JoeJr (Post 8545373)
You may enjoy this, although you're very early in the progression

https://sewing-machines.blogspot.com...ta-let-go.html

Oh that's priceless. I can't hold focus for too long. I'm a pro makeup artist in NYC, I always jump back to wanting to design and sew but then I buy a machine strong enough to sew a specific fabric, then I get into repairing the machine and the cycle just continues LOL


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