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Singer Stylist 457 Instruction Book-free???
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]297900[/ATTACH]I know Singer site has these for sale but does anyone have one for free? I bought one for $5 & everything moves, runs EXCEPT I can't get the bobbin thread pulled up. There is a knob on the front of the bed (to the left of the thread guide for bobbin winder) that doesn't show on the pictures I see online. I'd appreciate any help you could give me. I want to give this machine to a friend.
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Great find and how nice to find a machine for a friend. We will have yet another person that will see the value of the vintage machines.
Here is the link for the manual from Singer http://www.singerco.com/uploads/down...aab08a72c8.pdf Hope it works as I am not great at all this stuff yet. Please make sure and let us all know how everything turns out. Good Luck, Lisa |
Thanks mtpockets1, this is what I was looking at yesterday except it was really small. Couldn't figure out how to see it big enough to read. It still doesn't have any explanation of what the knob to the left of the Bobbin Winder Tension Disc is supposed to be. Does anyone know what that's supposed to be for? See pix.
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could it be the reverse button.
And as for the bobbin thread not coming up, try threading the machine in the opposite direction. If you are threading it right to left, try left to right, maybe that is what it needs. Some of the older machines thread like that. It won't hurt to try. |
Originally Posted by misseva
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Thanks mtpockets1, this is what I was looking at yesterday except it was really small. Couldn't figure out how to see it big enough to read. It still doesn't have any explanation of what the knob to the left of the Bobbin Winder Tension Disc is supposed to be. Does anyone know what that's supposed to be for? See pix.
Also, I think I got a machine like yours. It was sitting in front of someone's house with a sign saying free. I'd never pass up a free machine. It worked great! I gave it to a friend who didn't have a backup sewing machine. I'll check and see about pulling the bobbin thread up, because I know the machine worked. BTW, it threads like most machines! |
The problem is - when I turn the hand wheel nothing in the bobbin area moves - don't most machines have something that moves to take the bobbin thread around?
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Originally Posted by misseva
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]297900[/ATTACH]I know Singer site has these for sale but does anyone have one for free? I bought one for $5 & everything moves, runs EXCEPT I can't get the bobbin thread pulled up. There is a knob on the front of the bed (to the left of the thread guide for bobbin winder) that doesn't show on the pictures I see online. I'd appreciate any help you could give me. I want to give this machine to a friend.
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Originally Posted by misseva
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The problem is - when I turn the hand wheel nothing in the bobbin area moves - don't most machines have something that moves to take the bobbin thread around?
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Originally Posted by belem
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The machine has a timing belt underneath that connects the bobbin mechanism to the motor. From what you describe it seems that the belt is either torn, loose or missing. It is not very difficult to replace but needle-hook timing setup is critical so let me know if you want to do it yourself and I will send you detailed photos. ˇBlessings!
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I have a 457 sitting upstairs waiting on me to work on her. If you take her top off(oh wow) and look inside, you will probably find nylon gears. It sounds like the gears are stripped and need to be replaced. Once replaced, the timing needs to be adjusted.
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An obvious question - Is the hand wheel engaged? Or was it loosened to fill a bobbin and not tightened back to normal? Is the needle in correctly. It should thread to left to right. If it's a drop in bobbin, is the thread all the way into the tension groove? Most have a slight click.
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Originally Posted by misseva
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Thanks so much. My next questions is..... How do you get the bottom off to see underneath? Looks like I would have to pry it off. The bobbin race (think that's what it's called) does not move when I move the hand wheel. On my other machines it turns and that's what makes the thread loop so the needle thread can pull it up. As you can tell, I'm not mechanical and haven't the foggiest idea what parts are called.
Make sure you disconnect and unthread the machine first. You will need a screwdriver to unscrew the two bolts on top of your machine to take the top cover off. Take a look at the plastic nylon gear and see if there is any damage as you turn the hand wheel. Put back the cover and lets then check the timing belt as a second step. [ATTACH=CONFIG]302189[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]302190[/ATTACH] To get the bottom off unscrew the two bolts and the round button underneath. This will allow you to separate the bottom plastic from the sewing machine. [ATTACH=CONFIG]302191[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]302192[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]302193[/ATTACH] Then you will find a second metal bottom cover. Just unscrew the second part of the round button and the cover will come off. Inspect the timing belt and see what happens when you hand turn the two sprockets. [ATTACH=CONFIG]302194[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]302195[/ATTACH] Let me know the outcome of your visual inspection and we will go from there depending on your findings. ˇBlessings! http://www.quiltingboard.com/images/icons/icon7.png |
There are two upper gears one white on top and one black underneath. Make sure you check both...
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Oh Wow, thanks for this information. I'll check it when I get home this afternoon. You ladies are awesome!!!!
By the way, I couldn't open the attachment on the last 302199 |
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This is attachment 302199. I don't know why it did not showed it in my last post.
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OK, I was able to get into the top and I see nothing broken. Gears all look fine. Opened the bottom and it looks just like your picture. Timing belt intact. I'll try to attach a pix of the area I think is the problem. See the arrow? Nothing in that area moved when I use the hand wheel to raise and lower the needle. It is not disengaged for bobbin winding. On my other machines something in this area moves to make a loop for the needle thread. And the instruction book shows it threading from front to back.
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Akkkkk - I actually did it!!!!
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Originally Posted by misseva
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OK, I was able to get into the top and I see nothing broken. Gears all look fine. Opened the bottom and it looks just like your picture. Timing belt intact. I'll try to attach a pix of the area I think is the problem. See the arrow? Nothing in that area moved when I use the hand wheel to raise and lower the needle. It is not disengaged for bobbin winding. On my other machines something in this area moves to make a loop for the needle thread. And the instruction book shows it threading from front to back.
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If the sprockets do not move then re-check the top gears as the bottom black one directly drives the right bottom sprocket. Let me know...
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Pardon my ignorance but a sprocket would look like????? Upon closer examination, I found the bottom black gear crumbled when touched with a screwdriver. Is this something I can replace and where would I get one?
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Originally Posted by misseva
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Pardon my ignorance but a sprocket would look like????? Upon closer examination, I found the bottom black gear crumbled when touched with a screwdriver. Is this something I can replace and where would I get one?
Well, you did great with the diagnostics and it looks like the upper black gear is damaged to the point that it would not engage when the white gear turns (it is supposed to turn when the white gear turns). Just make sure that if you hand turn the bottom right sprocket (the gear holding the timing belt) it then turns the timing belt and then bottom left sprocket turns the hook-loop mechanism that you pointed out in your photo. This way we will make sure everything else is working fine. You can buy the damaged gear at many places selling singer spare parts. Here is one for $6 on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Singer-Verti...item3a6efa8db7 I will separately post for you the steps to replace the gear and the steps to adjust the "needle-hook timing" which sounds complex but it just means we need to adjust the exact turn position of the bobbin part to catch the needle thread as it comes down. Do not hesitate to ask me any questions. Have a great day! http://www.quiltingboard.com/images/icons/icon14.png |
[h=1]Guide to replace the BLACK PLASTIC GEAR on TOP for Singer Stylist 457
[/h] STEP 1: Remove the top cover, as well as the left side cover. Remove also the bottom covers. You will have to remove the front cover. Keep all screws in a small container for re-installation. Remember these machines were built on the 1960's so treat all parts gently. You will have access to the black gear once the face plate is removed.After this, you are now ready to remove the broken gear. STEP 2: REMOVING THE BROKEN GEAR. First, you will have to remove the timing belt tensioner and the timing belt underneath. Then, by inserting a long flat screwdriver in the illustrated opening, you will be able to remove the gear set screw. Note that I also removed the needle position lever which is retained by one screw, to gain access when removing the old gear and to reinstall the new one. This lever serves to adjust the center position of the needle. Once the gear set screw is removed, you will have to pull the vertical shaft underneath. The broken gear will slip out of the shaft . Do not remove the entire shaft. Pulling it approximately 2 inches is enough to release the black top gear. http://i18.ebayimg.com/06/s/000/77/5e/5d39_2.JPG You are now ready to install the new gear. If necessary replace its set screw with the old one. Be sure also to clean the bigger (white color) gear which match the top gear. Check for any debris between the teeth. STEP 3: INSTALLING THE NEW GEAR. Reinsert the vertical shaft so it is flush with the gear surface. With your long screwdriver, slip the new gear in it, and put your screwdriver blade in contact with the gear location (on top of the vertical shaft). Slip the gear to its original position while inserting the shaft slowly. This method is recommended instead of trying to place the gear with your fingers. The gear can fall at the back of the mechanism or fall down in the motor. Hold now the gear with your fingers on one hand, and with the other hand, push the vertical shaft in place. Be sure the flat side of the shaft comes in contact with the gear set screw. Tighten the set screw firmly when the vertical shaft is completely inserted. You are now done with the first part. Second part is placing back the timing belt and adjusting the needle-hook timing. |
Well, I checked and and sprockets/gears that the timing belt is on was frozen but I was able to get them turning again and I can see that when I turn it the needle-hook turns!!! So it looks like all I need is the black gear which I will order right away AND I'll try to talk someone who is mechanical to install it. I know, I know, it's simple for you but it scares me to just read the instructions. Guess I shouldn't be since I've only spent $5 on it. What could go wrong?
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OK now, I've got the gear ordered. Here's hoping I can do it.
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Originally Posted by misseva
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Well, I checked and and sprockets/gears that the timing belt is on was frozen but I was able to get them turning again and I can see that when I turn it the needle-hook turns!!! So it looks like all I need is the black gear which I will order right away AND I'll try to talk someone who is mechanical to install it. I know, I know, it's simple for you but it scares me to just read the instructions. Guess I shouldn't be since I've only spent $5 on it. What could go wrong?
In a nutshell, the instructions read "take all covers off, remove the belt and then unscrew the black gear". God so far has blessed you with a great gift for your friend and the talent to diagnose what is wrong so I would keep trusting Him to guide you through the rest of the process. I will post for you the remaining part which is synchronizing the needle with the hook after you install the new black gear and BEFORE you power up the machine again. Don't worry too much, worst thing can happen is breaking the needle if you power up the machine before synchronizing it with the loop mechanism. Best thing can happen is that you will save a repair fee around 100 dollars plus the satisfaction that you are now one of the few that are brave enough to do this kind of repair. I will also post for you the lubrication procedure so your machine will now be good as new. For this you will need a tube of sewing machine oil and another one of sewing machine lubricant (grease) which should be available at places even like Walmart. The oil must simply be the sewing machine type and the lubricant (grease) simply should be silicon type and not petroleum type. Congratulations again on your progress so far! :thumbup: Blessings! http://www.quiltingboard.com/images/icons/icon7.png |
STEP 4: INSTALLING THE TIMING BELT. Check for severe cracks or missing teeth and replace if necessary. Place the timing belt around the 2 sprockets (left and right gears) and then install the belt tensioner but do not tighten too much the screw yet. Now turn the white plastic belly in the belt tensioner to adjust the timing belt so it is not too tight or too loose (you should be able to depress it about 1/2"). Now finish tightening the screw holding the belt tensioner just so the white plastic belly does not turn.
STEP 5: THE NEEDLE POSITION. First just loosen (do not remove) the 2 little screws in the left sprocket body. You need a small hexagonal screwdriver tip but you may try a narrow enough flat screwdriver to loosen them. The goal is to be able to move the rotating hook freely in order to synchronize the rotating hook with the needle position. In other words, we now need the rotating hook NOT to move while we turn the hand wheel and move the needle to its exact position. DO NOT lower the needle yet as it could hit the rotating hook. Just position the needle by turning the hand wheel TOWARDS YOU so the needle comes slightly over the needle plate opening. When you see the upper timing mark flush (even) with the machine body the needle is at its lowest position. Make sure the rotating hook tip is still facing the back of the machine and in front of the needle or otherwise hand turn the rotating hook as necessary.Move and center the needle position lever and make sure the needle is also set in the center position. If the lever does not seem to work fine loose the lever mounting screw so you can freely pull or push the needle position lever to set the needle in the center and then re-tighten the lever mounting screw. STEP 6: SYNCHRONIZING NEEDLE AND ROTATING HOOK. Turn the rotating hook by hand so the hook or sharp tip point in the rotating hook wall faces the back of the machine. Then, turn the hand wheel SLOWLY TOWARDS YOU so the needle goes completely down. You should be able to see the upper and lower timing marks (grooves) appear on the needle bar when the needle is all the way down. We are now just 3/32 of an inch from synchronizing the needle. Fix your eyes on the timing marks (grooves) and continue turning the hand wheel VERY SLOWLY TOWARDS YOU so the needle and the needle bar raise 3/32 of an inch which is when the upper timing mark disappears and the lower timing mark is flush with the machine body. Make sure the rotary hook tip point is still in front of the needle. Now very carefully (so nothing moves out of position) tighten the bottom sprocket little screws. Re-check the hook tip point and timing mark position. Test the setting by making a few revolutions of the hand wheel to be sure the needle does not hit any part of the rotating hook. THE ROTATING HOOK AND NEEDLE ARE NOW SYNCHRONIZED !!! http://www.quiltingboard.com/images/icons/icon14.png We are now ready to lubricate the machine, reassemble the panels and do a real sewing test. http://www.quiltingboard.com/images/icons/icon7.png |
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Cleaning and Lubricating is covered on pages 53 to 57 of the Singer 457 Stylist Manual
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Originally Posted by Quilting Nonnie
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If you are on Firefox (don't know if it works on Internet Explorer), you can enlarge any "page" by holding down the control key and using the scroll key on your mouse. One direction makes it bigger, the other direction makes it smaller. I've never tried to memorize which way is which. I just try it and see what size the text changes to! http://www.singerco.com/uploads/down...aab08a72c8.pdf
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belem HELP! I'm at a standstill. Can't loosen gear set screw. Also what's the point of removing the left side cover do I pull/remove anything from there? I sent you an e-mail but you may not have received it if I'm not on your approved list.
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Originally Posted by misseva
Well, I have the gear BUT I'm having a hard time finding the timing belt tensioner..
[ATTACH=CONFIG]304671[/ATTACH] I will be today keeping an eye on your posts so you can finish repairing your vintage machine. Be patient. Nothing is easy the first time... http://www.quiltingboard.com/images/icons/icon14.png Blessings! |
Give a few minutes to observe my machine and determine if there is an easier way to remove the upper gear...
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Originally Posted by belem
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Give a few minutes to observe my machine and determine if there is an easier way to remove the upper gear... Don't worry, be happy... :)
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Well, I got the set screw loosened in the old gear, but I'm unable to remove the shaft. It absolutely refuses to pull out. My machine is not lined up like yours. When I insert the screwdriver, I have to slant it down to get to the set screw thus using only one side of the screwdriver blade. I'm seriously wondering if I can put new gear in IF and WHEN I do get it removed.
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Originally Posted by misseva
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Well, I got the set screw loosened in the old gear, but I'm unable to remove the shaft. It absolutely refuses to pull out. My machine is not lined up like yours. When I insert the screwdriver, I have to slant it down to get to the set screw thus using only one side of the screwdriver blade. I'm seriously wondering if I can put new gear in IF and WHEN I do get it removed.
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I just ca.t pull the sprocket out.
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It may be stuck after 40 years sitting there so remove the set screw and hit the shaft to slide it down.
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Well I got the shaft to move, got the gear in and I'm in the process of timing. It's really hard. It's almost my bedtime and I get up at 5 am so I'll try it again tomorrow after work. I need to find a hex driver. I have 6 and they are either too large or too small. I had to use the tips of a needlenose plier. Thanks so very much for your help. Couldn't have done it without you.
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belem - Praise the Lord! She sews!!!!! Got it all back together and I only had one small washer extra. Can't for the life of me figure out where it went. BUT SHE SEWS!!!! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help. Only thing - it makes a lot more noise than my other machines when it runs - in the bobbin area. Not like it's hitting something - just rattles if that's a good word to use. I can move the needle left - center - right and zig zag. It will make some one a nice machine. Now I just have to wait for the Lord to show me who needs it.
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Thanks for all the instructions. I have one that needs a new gear and your instuctions are so easy to follow.
Thanks again. Mary |
It was my pleasure being able to assist you.
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