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miriam 08-23-2011 07:56 AM

Vintage sewing machine not stitching - very generic tutorial

Does it need a new needle? That is usually the quickest easiest cheapest fix. Change the needle... some times we hit pins or sometimes people pull the material through the machine and the needle bends. Sometimes needles get dull? When was the last time it was changed?
Make sure the needle is in all the way

Try this first. Take apart the throat plate then try putting it all back together as seen in your owner's manual sometimes that helps a 301 - maybe your 319, 221, 401, what ever has to go a certain way - so make it go the way the manual shows
Make sure the hole lines up with the needle - nothing crooked...
(While you are in there clean out the lint and oil the machine - some times that can be the cause of your skipped stitches)
here is one I found and it is well said http://sewing-machine-troubleshootin...-Stitches.html

Look at your upper thread. Is it catching on the little notch on the spool? Turn it over and see if that helps...

completely unthread and rethread the machine
Is the thread in the tension in correct position between the disks?
check to see if the bobbin thread is correctly threaded through the bobbin holder
is the bobbin worn out? warped? the correct bobbin for the machine?

Is the needle is the wrong length? size matters - a few of the vintage machines take a different from normal length needle and the machine won't work.
Check the owner's manual and double check your needle size
Check to see if you have the correct needle diameter for the fabric you are using. Smaller needle number for light weight fabric
Larger needle number for heavy weight fabric.
Does the needle size match your thread size?
If the needle is put in backwards it won't work - the owner's manual should show how it goes
Make sure the needle is threaded in the correct direction. - it usually goes through the groove side first
The curve side of the needle goes toward the bobbin so the shuttle can pass and grab the thread
Is the tension is too tight? too loose? (See your manual for that)

If that doesn't work open up the throat plate and take off the feed dogs. It is easier to watch the thread and needle closely.
Does the needle, thread and shuttle engage? If so it is not timing. If it engages but does not complete the cycle it may be a burr. Burrs happen. You can smooth up the burr with some emery cloth.
You can feel a burr with your fingers. You can see a burr. You can take a piece of thread and 'floss' through there until it hangs up on the burr

I had a machine buggered up and the thread kept breaking - the tension was full of lint and dried oil

Do you have "help" When you aren't looking do kids/GKs mess with the machine?

If the hook misses the needle's eye it could be timing.
I had a machine that the needle hit the foot and broke every time. It plagued me for months trying to figure it out. Finally I swapped the needle bar for one from a donor machine. SO it was a bent needle shaft.
Sewing on really heavy material can bend your needle shaft. Just because the people selling a vintage machine say it can, doesn't mean your machine was intended to sew on that heavy stuff all the time.

This video can help you know if it is timing. I think the part where he tested it is where I would start to test to see if it is messed up timing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhlHbUYwV8

greenini 08-23-2011 10:00 AM

Miriam, thanks so much for the down and dirty places to start! Even if we know, sometimes we forget to check the simple stuff.

miriam 08-23-2011 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by greenini
Miriam, thanks so much for the down and dirty places to start! Even if we know, sometimes we forget to check the simple stuff.

Yes and some times it is as plain as the nose on your face and I mean some of us who have sewed for 50 years... :oops: I wanted it easy to find on here too... so much gets buried...

kiffie2413 08-23-2011 10:20 AM

Thanks for all the info!... DH and I are fixing to go to work on the Singer 66 I inherited from my great-grandma, have had it 20+ years, but never thought I should sew with it (duh...lol)...just admire it...well, saw on here where lots of people sew with them, and make lovely items...so, here we go....Thanks again,
K

jpwagner 08-24-2011 04:52 AM

Thanks for the video link on the hook timing. I may need that some day.

foxxigrani 08-24-2011 05:07 AM

Thank you so much for the trouble shooting tute. Sometimes it hard to know where to go for any info or how to's on your older machines. Thank you.

Rita

deplaylady 08-24-2011 05:25 AM

Super - I made sure to stick this in my pages so next time I get stuck I can get unstuck quick! In fact, I think I'll print it out to keep with me when hitting the garage sales - I had to try a few of those last weekend to get my 201 to sew before I bought it - it would have been much faster to have had a list of things to check than fumbling around. I did hit on it - backwards needle & bobbin - but you never know for next time (if I have a next time!)

Janis 08-24-2011 10:47 AM

Thanks for the info, Miriam. I copied it and will put it where it's handy for my vintage sewing machines. I also like the idea of having a copy in the car for garage saleing, so I'd better run off another.
Also, If you see a Singer 99 (Singer 99-13) and it has the bentwood case and a little hole in the bottom right of the base of the cabinet, it should have a knee bar that fits in there to run the machine. Some are missing on some of the machines I've seen on Craigslist, and I don't know if they can be found for sale anywhere. Just a thought..... Those machines CAN be made into a crank machine too.
Another tip. To know how your needle needs to go into your machine, look at the last loop the thread needs to go through on the needle shaft. That will tell you which way the needle needs to be threaded and that side is where the grove of the needle goes. I hope this makes sense.... Sometimes people get rid of their machines because the machine won't sew, and all that's wrong is that they have the needle in wrong!

AliceQ 08-24-2011 12:19 PM

I copied it too and will put it in my machine's manual. Thanks!!

gramquilter2 08-24-2011 12:22 PM

Great tutorial to get the vintage machines up and running.

blueheavenfla 08-24-2011 01:35 PM

Thank you so much for bringing so much expertise to us. Learning the processes from the video will take multiple viewings but they will be well worth the time. My daughter just brought a 301 to me for cleaning and oiling. Guess I will do some deeper inspection if that doesn't make the machine work well for her. Again, THANK YOU!

miriam 08-24-2011 01:41 PM

One word of caution - do not do the timing unless you have to or can be sure you can get it right - if you mess up, I've seen $85 for a shop to do it - it should be your last resort

Yooper32 08-24-2011 03:37 PM

With 7 machines now, I have to check the manual every time I switch to a different machine, just to be sure.

Teacup 08-24-2011 05:46 PM

Thanks so much...great info for those of us just starting to use a vintage machine.

Lostn51 08-24-2011 06:46 PM

I added this to the VSMS Virtual Forum so everyone there can read it. Good information and I know it will help quite a few of us!

Billy

pjnesler 08-24-2011 06:54 PM

Great checklist of possibilities - thanks!

audsgirl 08-24-2011 11:05 PM

Thanks for the good advice. And that video was eye-opening!

miriam 08-25-2011 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by Lostn51
I added this to the VSMS Virtual Forum so everyone there can read it. Good information and I know it will help quite a few of us!

Billy

Thank you. Seems like we are trouble shooting about once a week.

Noiseynana 09-07-2011 11:19 AM

Do you know where to get an owners manual?? I only paid $5.00 for this little machine. This is great info and I will follow it.Thank you

miriam 09-07-2011 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by miriam

Originally Posted by Lostn51
I added this to the VSMS Virtual Forum so everyone there can read it. Good information and I know it will help quite a few of us!

Billy

Thank you. Seems like we are trouble shooting about once a week.

let me try this again - I wrote a tutorial for trouble shooting skipped stitches. It could also be thread - try changing it.
Let's see if this is the tutorial...
http://www.quiltingboard.com/t-147275-1.htm

Noiseynana 09-07-2011 11:43 AM

Miriam, I sure wish you lived by me. Thanks for the info

miriam 09-07-2011 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Noiseynana
Miriam, I sure wish you lived by me. Thanks for the info

if that isn't enough you can pm me and I'll call you.

Maureen's violets 09-09-2011 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by miriam
Vintage sewing machine not stitching - very generic tutorial

Does it need a new needle? That is usually the quickest easiest cheapest fix. Change the needle... some times we hit pins or sometimes people pull the material through the machine and the needle bends. Sometimes needles get dull? When was the last time it was changed?
Make sure the needle is in all the way

Try this first. Take apart the throat plate then try putting it all back together as seen in your owner's manual sometimes that helps a 301 - maybe your 319, 221, 401, what ever has to go a certain way - so make it go the way the manual shows
Make sure the hole lines up with the needle - nothing crooked...
(While you are in there clean out the lint and oil the machine - some times that can be the cause of your skipped stitches)
here is one I found and it is well said http://sewing-machine-troubleshootin...-Stitches.html

Look at your upper thread. Is it catching on the little notch on the spool? Turn it over and see if that helps...

completely unthread and rethread the machine
Is the thread in the tension in correct position between the disks?
check to see if the bobbin thread is correctly threaded through the bobbin holder
is the bobbin worn out? warped? the correct bobbin for the machine?

Is the needle is the wrong length? size matters - a few of the vintage machines take a different from normal length needle and the machine won't work.
Check the owner's manual and double check your needle size
Check to see if you have the correct needle diameter for the fabric you are using. Smaller needle number for light weight fabric
Larger needle number for heavy weight fabric.
Does the needle size match your thread size?
If the needle is put in backwards it won't work - the owner's manual should show how it goes
Make sure the needle is threaded in the correct direction. - it usually goes through the groove side first
The curve side of the needle goes toward the bobbin so the shuttle can pass and grab the thread
Is the tension is too tight? too loose? (See your manual for that)

If that doesn't work open up the throat plate and take off the feed dogs. It is easier to watch the thread and needle closely.
Does the needle, thread and shuttle engage? If so it is not timing. If it engages but does not complete the cycle it may be a burr. Burrs happen. You can smooth up the burr with some emery cloth.
You can feel a burr with your fingers. You can see a burr. You can take a piece of thread and 'floss' through there until it hangs up on the burr

I had a machine buggered up and the thread kept breaking - the tension was full of lint and dried oil

Do you have "help" When you aren't looking do kids/GKs mess with the machine?

If the hook misses the needle's eye it could be timing.
I had a machine that the needle hit the foot and broke every time. It plagued me for months trying to figure it out. Finally I swapped the needle bar for one from a donor machine. SO it was a bent needle shaft.
Sewing on really heavy material can bend your needle shaft. Just because the people selling a vintage machine say it can, doesn't mean your machine was intended to sew on that heavy stuff all the time.

This video can help you know if it is timing. I think the part where he tested it is where I would start to test to see if it is messed up timing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhlHbUYwV8


miriam 11-02-2011 02:09 AM

Ask me how I know this one - If you put your needle in backwards your thread will break... I just did it last week. so embarrassed....

janetter 11-08-2011 04:15 PM

Sad face Video was removed

miriam 11-08-2011 04:57 PM

Was that the video on timing? Bummer.

miriam 11-08-2011 10:35 PM

Ok I searched out Muv's videos and found all 9 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bidpJ...feature=relmfu
if you search Utube you can find info on timing but it REALLY should be a very last resort... It can be very expensive if a tech has to fix it for you

miriam 12-27-2011 10:57 AM

If you have a Japanese 15 or a Singer 15 here is a video that tells how to properly thread the machine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2tii...re=uploademail

miriam 02-10-2012 10:00 AM

That other video is gone here is another video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njfCy...eature=related this one is better anyway.
You will also need the second one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE2um...eature=related

or you can search Utube for sewing machine timing


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