Whats with this machine
 

A singer clone or is it ? yep it has drop feed dog.
sorry about the fuzzy pic's. most photo's came out like that.
On the arm you can still see Singer zoom on the 2nd pic The red S that has singer written around the S. yet behind the S the logo is not singers logo. you can see it's green and the sewmaster under the badge. It does have a numbered upper tension.

S/N is under the bed, center, machined area, something as YZ ####### or Zx #### an odd sounding number.
This winter I've seen sites talking about machines made In peru, Brasil and Argentina. The pic's did show a different badge

In the last two weeks, I came on another site saying there was two plants in Germany, produced machine up to 1941 Those had odd S/N's no photo's
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Weren't the red 'S' badges used on machines in the 60s? It could be just the photo, but that badge looks like someone added it, it looks bent and the brass pins look too big. It looks to me like someone tried to make a clone look like a Singer.

Cari

I would wholeheartedly agree

if you look really hard. you can see the round in the center of the pins / reveits and the lines running outward from the center . I didn't get the impression the badge had been screwed with. because of the low lighting in there , I did have my face up close.

with the time factor in going over all the machines, along with, you can't tip these in there cases, there wet the case will just fall apart

I think I should just buy anything that looks singer, even this machine has a face plate and spoke hand wheel.

RAF Singer decals.

Here's a very similar one:

http://thevintageseamstress.blogspot...9-just-in.html

its interesting though that the one in the link doesn't have the knob on the bed like the one one pictured by 10X. I thought the ones with the bed knob were made in Taiwan? Sorry, I'm just still a beginner and get easily confoosed.
what does the "179" on the stitch plate mean? I noticed on the linked machine it said "115".

That sure looks like the same badge, all I can make out is the red S with the green behind that. I don't see the standard S/N area

all the ones ( clones) I've have the knob on the bed, sewmaster was a clone name. the singer on the arm is real, but to worn to say much more without having it here ..

I keep stirring brain cells. I think I've seen this in the past either in person or in photo's.

Found it!

http://www.singerphilippines.com/feat_15ch179.php

be careful..

If you click on the red "S" logo you will see this pop up
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It looks like they are using the Singer name as a "type" not a brand...

Interesting. Not a clone then but a fraud, or at least as close to a true counterfeit as they could get without being prosecuted.
Rodney