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Thread: Singer 411G, Singer 401G and a Singer 401A Slant-O-Matic Singer machines

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    The 'M' is Monza, Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    M is Malaysia, isn't it? G for Germany, J for St Jean Quebec, in Canada, K for Kilbowie Scotland, A for Anderson, South Carolina, USA,....

    I think you'd be hard pressed to treadle a 431, there are no holes for the hinges to mount. You might be best off taking the motor from the 411 and put it in the 431 then treadle the 411.

    That said, it's worth checking the motor brushes on the 431 before holding the funeral on it. So many technicians don't properly service or even check the motors.
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    Ah!! Thank you!!
    I couldn't find the list I referred to way back when.

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    I just bought a 411G and would like to see how the treadle belt is on the hand wheel.I looked at mine I have no belt grove and I cant see your hand wheel at all.I think maybe mine is one that came not fitted for the treadle. The machine works great for $20. I was hoping to set it up in a treadle just for the fun of it.

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    It looks pretty much the same as the 401G that Miriam posted a pic of here: http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...ml#post5795211

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalchaos View Post
    I just bought a 411G and would like to see how the treadle belt is on the hand wheel.I looked at mine I have no belt grove and I cant see your hand wheel at all.I think maybe mine is one that came not fitted for the treadle. The machine works great for $20. I was hoping to set it up in a treadle just for the fun of it.
    The balance wheel has a step in it - a spinning wheel belt may fit better than the leather belt. I had to shim mine out because the belt was sort of thick. I have heard of people filing a grove in there but I don't think it was intended to work that way. Someone found me on line and sent an email. We emailed back and forth until she got her's done - the spinning wheel belt worked great. I still need to go buy one so I haven't personally done it that way. I think I showed a picture of the rear channels but not with the belt in it. The belt goes through like you see in the front, over the balance wheel, then down through the channel in the back and down around the treadle wheel.
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    Singer 401G again
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    401A and a 411G rear - the 411G has that hole in the back for the belt to go through no hole in the 411A.
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    Here is someplace that sells the belts:
    http://www.spinnerschoice.com/Spinni...s/default.html
    Stretchy poly-cord drive bands for your spinning wheel are durable and easy to install. These flexible spinning wheel drive bands offer a stronger draw in than conventional cotton belts and will last and last. Choose from traditional clear or black or bring some color into you spinning with NEW shades of crystal lavender and crystal rose! Available in single drive ($7.00)or double drive ($14.00)or pre-fused for Louet S10, S17 and S51. ($9.95) All non-fused spinning wheel drive belts include easy to follow instructions.

    I'm thinking she used a single but bought double just in case.
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    Hello!
    I'm about to purchase a European 401 (not sure if it's the G or M). The lady is telling me it's still working (she said she used it last a couple of months ago last). I'm unable to check since she's located in the north of Italy, and I'm currently in the south. I also don't know a thing about sewing, this would be my 1st machine, and I'm very much looking forward to learning on it. Comparing the pictures she sent me with all your pictures, I have some doubts about its nose: the slot seems broken/way to large (see pictures). Since it comes with this cabinet, which I adore, if you think it's fixable, I'd rather have it repaired than losing the opportunity... What do you think?
    Thank you all in advance for your advice. (I hope it's OK to post here, I figured this was the right place since the different 401 pictures are here too.)
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    What a great table!!
    I don't think there's anything "wrong" with the nose, I think it's open. This part has to open to service the machine, it's just a hinged door.
    Make sure the stitch selector moves freely. Many people will say the machine works fine, and if all they do is one stitch, they may never notice that the stitch selector is frozen up. The front one pushes in, then turns, and the back pulls toward you and then turns.

    If the stitch selector is frozen up, it can be fixed with some time and elbow grease, but it becomes a bargaining point.
    This is a discussion we had about that very problem on the American version of your machine.
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...e-t216956.html


    A couple of things to note though.
    1. Are there are 2 different machines in these photos? One has the brown panel behind the stitch selector, and one has the beige. This is very strange. Maybe it's just a trick of the light.

    2. There's water staining on the floor (I think) Machines don't like really moist environments. It would be a good idea to check the machine over very carefully for signs that the moisture has bothered it. Again, not insurmountable, just something to look for.

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    Hi ArchaicArcane,

    Great news about the nose. About the selector, I'll ask the lady, good point (good info too. I'm learning, I'm learning...).

    1. You have sharp eyes! I don't think there are 2 different machines though. Looking at the thin horizontal logo panel on the lighter image, you can see the change of color. Also, the street reflections on the table mean it must be an opened garage door, suddenly filled w/ light...

    2. Unfortunately, where I live must be even worse than a garage... 80% humidity pretty much all year long. Everything rusts

    Thanks so much for answering so fast!

    PS: Re: the table: YES

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    Quote Originally Posted by plume View Post
    Hello!
    I'm about to purchase a European 401 (not sure if it's the G or M). The lady is telling me it's still working (she said she used it last a couple of months ago last). I'm unable to check since she's located in the north of Italy, and I'm currently in the south. I also don't know a thing about sewing, this would be my 1st machine, and I'm very much looking forward to learning on it. Comparing the pictures she sent me with all your pictures, I have some doubts about its nose: the slot seems broken/way to large (see pictures). Since it comes with this cabinet, which I adore, if you think it's fixable, I'd rather have it repaired than losing the opportunity... What do you think?
    Thank you all in advance for your advice. (I hope it's OK to post here, I figured this was the right place since the different 401 pictures are here too.)
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    I'm really liking that table!!! I have one of those machines. SWEET!!!!!! The first one I got came out of the trash. It was a big mess. It took a long time but I did get it working. Hopefully you won't have all that much wrong if you can make the stitch selectors work. The nose just needs to snap shut. I have a little drawer unit like that for mine. It some how hooks to the machine and makes the bed longer. The machine is a winner in my book.
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    Thanks! I will move forward w/ the transaction then. From what I'm reading, the most delicate part now will be to have it packed securely for transportation... I hope a friend in Milan can get it for me directly, otherwise I'll need to call a package delivery company. I'll keep you all posted!!!

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    Ok, so after many ups (lady testing her machine again and making a hem without any pbs / confirming the "nose" closes / her husband unscrewing the table's legs for ease of transport / realizing she lives only 7km away from my friend in Milan) and downs (not able to contact my friend until yesterday night — while he's supposed to leave tomorrow morning to come & visit me / understanding there will most probably be no space left in his car for the 401 + table since he'll be traveling with his wife, 2 kids, and their 2 big dogs, lol / and... seeing a brand new classified ad on the web for "my" machine from the same lady yesterday afternoon)...

    Only "ups" today:
    - My friend went to the lady this morning & bought the 401
    - He then bought... a car top carrier!

    Can you believe it?! (I hardly can)

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    Quote Originally Posted by plume View Post
    Ok, so after many ups (lady testing her machine again and making a hem without any pbs / confirming the "nose" closes / her husband unscrewing the table's legs for ease of transport / realizing she lives only 7km away from my friend in Milan) and downs (not able to contact my friend until yesterday night — while he's supposed to leave tomorrow morning to come & visit me / understanding there will most probably be no space left in his car for the 401 + table since he'll be traveling with his wife, 2 kids, and their 2 big dogs, lol / and... seeing a brand new classified ad on the web for "my" machine from the same lady yesterday afternoon)...

    Only "ups" today:
    - My friend went to the lady this morning & bought the 401
    - He then bought... a car top carrier!

    Can you believe it?! (I hardly can)

    I would love to see that car!!!!!!!!!! in my drive way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by plume View Post
    Ok, so after many ups (lady testing her machine again and making a hem without any pbs / confirming the "nose" closes / her husband unscrewing the table's legs for ease of transport / realizing she lives only 7km away from my friend in Milan) and downs (not able to contact my friend until yesterday night — while he's supposed to leave tomorrow morning to come & visit me / understanding there will most probably be no space left in his car for the 401 + table since he'll be traveling with his wife, 2 kids, and their 2 big dogs, lol / and... seeing a brand new classified ad on the web for "my" machine from the same lady yesterday afternoon)...

    Only "ups" today:
    - My friend went to the lady this morning & bought the 401
    - He then bought... a car top carrier!

    Can you believe it?! (I hardly can)
    I sure hope the clothes went in the in the top carrier... I'd hate to see the roof after a 401 rode all the way through Italy on it. Congrats on the machine. It will clean up really well!

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    The 401 was in the trunk, well guarded -- as you can see
    They all arrived well. The sewing machine seemed already cleaned & oiled. Oh it's so nice. It has many accessories, and the original booklets (both for the machine + table). The table is even more beautiful than on the photographs.
    I started training yesterday, no problems so far (again, I'm a complete newbie, so figuring out pretty quickly how to place the threads, testing different stitches & trying to control the speed was a big accomplishment for me, even with the user's manual).
    One thing I noticed, is that the last thread holder/hook before the needle is broken off from the needle clamp. That's not too important, is it?
    Anyway, here are some pictures!

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    Pics did not come up on my computer. I am so bummed out.

    I learned another place that must have oil and Miriam must have missed it.... It is the spring that holds the bobbin in. I had one that must have had dried up oil. The spring did not seat the bobbin carrier quite right and the thread would not pass through quickly enough so made loops like the tension was off upstairs. I rebuilt the tension. Checked the bobbin tension then figured out that the spring was not seated all the way down. Oiled it and it has a lot better motion now and good stitches.
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    Thanks for the info about the bobbin spring.
    Here are the pictures again (not the greatest quality...):

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    I can't see the attachments either, but plume, that table is to die for! And the machine is beautiful. The stars lined up for you and you got a dream machine! Congratulations!

    Miriam, I am so glad I found your thread! I love the slantomatics too. I have a 401A. I have a couple of questions. Here goes:

    1. If you don't use WD-40 or liquid wrench to clean inside the machine (cam stack area, etc.) what do you use? I HATE cleaning in there -- it's so hard.

    2. For the past few days I've been dreaming of how I might get my 401 to chain stitch. (How lucky I am to find you right now!) Will the 411g bobbin race fit in a 401? Here's my idea: the Singer 600 series machines can chain stitch, and for this they have 3 accessories: 1. a chain stitch throat plate (with a little doo-hicky on the back), 2. a thread guide that clips onto the machine, and 3. a little bobbin case cover plate. These are readily available, I guess because of all the Touch and Sews that bit the dust leaving their attachments behind.

    The 600 series uses a different bobbin, so that little plate probably won't fit. BUT, I found chain stitch instructions online for the 411G, and it doesn't use the little cover plate. The 600 series chain stitch throat plate should fit the 401, and I think the thread guide clip will fit. So, if I get a 411G bobbin race, a 600 series chain stitch throat plate and thread guide, will my 401A be able to chain stitch?

    I've been obsessed with wanting to chain stitch lately. I would love to find a Singer 24 some day, or a Willcox & Gibbs chain stitcher. I have a Betsy Ross toy chain stitcher, but it can only do light duty work

    Thank you for this thread!
    --Sheila

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    I can't see the attachments either, but plume, that table is to die for! And the machine is beautiful. The stars lined up for you and you got a dream machine! Congratulations!

    Miriam, I am so glad I found your thread! I love the slantomatics too. I have a 401A. I have a couple of questions. Here goes:

    1. If you don't use WD-40 or liquid wrench to clean inside the machine (cam stack area, etc.) what do you use? I HATE cleaning in there -- it's so hard.

    2. For the past few days I've been dreaming of how I might get my 401 to chain stitch. (How lucky I am to find you right now!) Will the 411g bobbin race fit in a 401? Here's my idea: the Singer 600 series machines can chain stitch, and for this they have 3 accessories: 1. a chain stitch throat plate (with a little doo-hicky on the back), 2. a thread guide that clips onto the machine, and 3. a little bobbin case cover plate. These are readily available, I guess because of all the Touch and Sews that bit the dust leaving their attachments behind.

    The 600 series uses a different bobbin, so that little plate probably won't fit. BUT, I found chain stitch instructions online for the 411G, and it doesn't use the little cover plate. The 600 series chain stitch throat plate should fit the 401, and I think the thread guide clip will fit. So, if I get a 411G bobbin race, a 600 series chain stitch throat plate and thread guide, will my 401A be able to chain stitch?

    I've been obsessed with wanting to chain stitch lately. I would love to find a Singer 24 some day, or a Willcox & Gibbs chain stitcher. I have a Betsy Ross toy chain stitcher, but it can only do light duty work

    Thank you for this thread!
    --Sheila

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    Sheluma, did we post at the same time or are the pictures still not appearing (I see them fine)?
    Yes, the stars lined up!

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    I bet the accessories are in the drawer unit.
    That table and machine are very, very nice.
    You have some really wonderful friends.
    I think you found the perfect home for the table and the machine looks like it was born there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheluma View Post
    1. If you don't use WD-40 or liquid wrench to clean inside the machine (cam stack area, etc.) what do you use? I HATE cleaning in there -- it's so hard.

    Yes it is hard. I use Tri-flow. If the 3 in 1 oil some Egor used doesn't come off you may have to use something stronger. I pack around it with cosmetic pads or pantiliners to protect the finish on the machine. I also have some hospital bed pads or some doggie potty pads to put on the machine's bed to protect it. Then if the Tri-flow doesn't loosen it up I use brake cleaner or xylene - Joe uses gun cleaner. This is a tricky area to work in but I use drops of anything - I don't use gallons. If you use solvent, do it outdoors. I think the liquid wrench and WD40 leave a residue. Once you have used the Tri-flow you should only have to oil that - I haven't had to clean up after T-F yet. Even if it sets a while it goes smooth pretty quick - then drop a bit more on it. It is my understanding that instead of gooping up the T-F powders off when it gets old.


    2. For the past few days I've been dreaming of how I might get my 401 to chain stitch. (How lucky I am to find you right now!) Will the 411g bobbin race fit in a 401? Here's my idea: the Singer 600 series machines can chain stitch, and for this they have 3 accessories: 1. a chain stitch throat plate (with a little doo-hicky on the back), 2. a thread guide that clips onto the machine, and 3. a little bobbin case cover plate. These are readily available, I guess because of all the Touch and Sews that bit the dust leaving their attachments behind.

    The 600 series uses a different bobbin, so that little plate probably won't fit. BUT, I found chain stitch instructions online for the 411G, and it doesn't use the little cover plate. The 600 series chain stitch throat plate should fit the 401, and I think the thread guide clip will fit. So, if I get a 411G bobbin race, a 600 series chain stitch throat plate and thread guide, will my 401A be able to chain stitch?

    I've been obsessed with wanting to chain stitch lately. I would love to find a Singer 24 some day, or a Willcox & Gibbs chain stitcher. I have a Betsy Ross toy chain stitcher, but it can only do light duty work

    Thank you for this thread!
    --Sheila
    Tammi wants hers to chain stitch, too - I don't know if she got it to do it or not. A Singer 600 or 603 Touch and Sew are nice machines when the bobbin area works. If not just use it as a chain stitch and you should be good to go.
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    Plume, Yes, we posted at the same time. I see the pictures now. You really do have great friends. That will be a great machine for you to learn on, and to use forever. If you had gotten a crummy new machine, you might hate sewing because of the machine, and not even realize it was the machine and not you. The accessory case with the little drawers is special. Some of the American machines came with a good plastic box with fitted compartments, but I haven't seen anything as nice as yours.

    Miriam, yes, I am still dealing with the previous owners gunk. I used WD-40 at first, but the fumes bother me. I got the machine working, and little by little just try to clean the rest (the non-contact parts) with oil now and then. I know tri-flow is the best, but I don't want to use teflon. I think regular clear sewing machine oil is non-toxic, but teflon isn't. My sewing area is in my kitchen, and I have pets, and I don't want to run the risk that they might ingest some. Do you think silicone might work for tough spots? Where do you pack the pantiliners or cosmetic pads? I just use rags to clean inside or paper towels on the outside.

    Until I saw this thread I thought I might be able to get the 401 to chain stitch just with the special throat plate and thread guide. But then I saw your picture of the bobbin race and realized I'd need that too. The touch and sew uses that little bobbin cover plate, so I thought the bobbin race wasn't doing much during the chain stitch. But I guess that can't be. I don't think I could keep a machine like the touch and sew just for chain stitch (no room) and I know I can't replace my 401 with it. For a beautiful (and small) machine like the 24 or W&G I could find the room. Maybe someday I'll find an affordable 411 or 431.

    Have a great day, Miriam, and a great evening, Plume!

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