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    Taking a chance...

    I am travelling to pick up 2 Singers, Viking & a Pfaff. 4 machines in all, I am told 2 are working and 2 are not - not sure which of the 4. And either the Pfaff or Viking is missing a pin in the hand wheel? The owner had a stroke and has to move into a care home - they are slated for the dump because she said her son doesn't want to move them. She mentioned one takes an odd shaped bobbin which is long (I assume a shuttle). She can't email photos...so I am super curious.

    She would like a working machine in return. I thought I would give her my Pfaff 295-1...because it has about 5 stitch choices (zig zag etc). I just can't part with my SS singers.

    I pick them up on Saturday...

    Never fixed a machine with missing parts, so I am crossing my fingers.

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    It's super easy to get singer parts, so there's no issue there. The Pfaff machines can be a bear to work on but are usually all metal so oiling and adjusting will usually do the trick, albeit you may have to re-time. The viking is the major challenge, so it depends on the model. It may have a an electrical circuit board which will requiring many hours of searching and begging it that is the issue. I'd go for it!!!, though I'd give her a Singer back if I had the option. Good Luck.

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    Thats a good idea... She is moving...so I will try to stay in touch with her.

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    Go for it! If you need to time anything, let me know. I've been meaning to write a post on how to time a machine, but time keeps getting away from me. Dan sent me the gifs a while ago to help me, and they're still sitting on my machine waiting,.. watching. I've run out of machines to tune up and now it's "just" sewing projects, so I should be able to find some time soon, I hope.

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    Be sure to post pics when you can. Inquiring minds want to know. LOL
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    It was -39 with the windchill - so I was too wimpy to drive on the highway today. Its killing me too! Maybe tomorrow. Trying to get my DH to drive me but he's not as thrilled to pick up unworking old sewing machines as I am

    Tammi thanks for the offer for a timing lesson...hopefully it will just be a dried out belt situation.

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    -42 with the windchill & a darling husband who knows how to drive....she was very happy with her 'ready to go' Pfaff. Here are the machines. The Pfaff is missing a pin on the hand wheel and 1 other one doesn't work....not sure which and will find out this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanginney View Post
    -42 with the windchill & a darling husband who knows how to drive....she was very happy with her 'ready to go' Pfaff. Here are the machines. The Pfaff is missing a pin on the hand wheel and 1 other one doesn't work....not sure which and will find out this week.
    Holy cow!! Score!! That looks like a 431G. That's on my bucket list! It's an excellent machine, and it can chainstitch. If you need help with the missing parts, send me a PM, I have "connections" for new parts and should be able to get them if I can figure out part numbers and they're available.

    You don't need the zig zagger for the Singer, but if the other machines are low shank and SS only (or your black SS machines) they can use it. The buttonholer looks like a low shank as well, so not for the 431G, but it will work on the black singers and other low shank machines.

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    Tammi. It is a 431G... Can't get the bobbin case to stay put ( I took it out and it jiggles like crazy) and I fiddled with the screws underneath until it didn't hit metal. I don't think there are missing parts.....just don't think I have them put together right. The removal arm is kinda cool.

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    Can you post a couple of pics for me of the hook area? Maybe I can spot the problem. I've had my nose stuck in a 401A all day, so I'm pretty up to speed on that setup. And maybe a pic of which screws you were fiddling with.

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    My little bobbin case is floating on top.....not sure where it goes. And I adjusted 3 screws, my finger is pointed at a shadow area with a screw and there are two more that show up in the lite.

    I hate this machine....tell me you have relatives in Regina that I can drop this off at... And will swap The cams look confusing. I think I need to step back and breath and oil the working ones.

    Give me my black singers any day
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    If you're serious, and willing to wait, I will come get it in the spring / summer. We've never been to Saskatchewan.
    I may have a friend who has family there too. PM me if you decide you can't stand the machine after we troubleshoot it and we'll work something out. Which black machines are you still wanting? I have a couple duplicates and a different "market" to pillage from.

    That said, it looks like you don't have the bobbin case in correctly. There's "groove" on the bobbin case, it needs to straddle the ledge on the inside of the hook. It looks like you have it under the ledge in the photos. When the bobbin case is correctly positioned, it will almost "disappear". The bobbin case will be flush with the top of the hook, all you'll see is a seam between the two. Once it's in place, and you put the "removal arm" back into place, it will hold everything tight. Put the screws underneath back to tight. Those (if I'm looking right) will put your timing out if you operate the machine with them loose.

    ETA: Don't operate it until you have them tight and turn it one full turn with the hand wheel. If the hook moved at all while the screws were loose, it won't stitch or the needle could strike the hook and break. I will walk you through re-timing it if needed.
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    Thanks Tammi - I will try to get the bobbin in correctly and PM you! I have a 201-3, 15-90, 221, and 185.

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    So that then says you still need a (1)27, (1)28, 115, 15-91, 201-2, 99, 66, 192 (spartan).... just to cover the basics. 99s and (1)28s are the 3/4 machines, like a 185. Any of those tickle your fancy?

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    201-2! Havent read up on the others, only the ones I have & your getting a rescue with issues! I dont have a good relationship with this rocketeer.

    I am totally flexible.

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    They take some serious getting used to if you're used to the black ones. It's OK.

    I haven't found a 201-2 here yet, but I will keep an eye open for one and let you know. I will tell a few people I know that I'm looking as well. Be warned though, most of them will need rewiring. I'm fairly sure you can also "convert" a 201-3 with the right handwheel, guard, and collar and motor....to a 201-2

    hmmm.... now where to get the motor and guard...

    All I have here that I haven't bonded with are a 128 and a 99, but I'll keep an eye open.

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    I completely forgot. vanginney and I have been discussing this via PM, but in case anyone else needs to know what the bobbincase is supposed to look like when it's properly seated:

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    Notice how it sits flush, and there's only a thin seam to show there are two pieces? That's correct. Now slide the black retaining lever into place and you're ready to sew.

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    Yeah, yeah, if it was only that easy You have been very patient Tammi - thanks for your help.

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    My pleasure! I'm sorry we couldn't get you bonding with the machine. As discussed, I promise to come get it, or make someone available for it and do 2 things with it:

    1. Give it a swift kick for all the abuse it gave you
    2. Restore it and bond with it.

    My first machine was a slant (290C), much much newer than the 431G, so it's familiar technology to me. Not to mention the 2x401A, 2x411G, and 503 I have here. Yes, I'm going to need to shrink that down a little.

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